Hello and a hybrid question in Help Me Identify a North American Bird Posted December 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Charlie Spencer said: What a great first post. I think we have a winner. Now wait a minute mr sox fox... No... cayuga are larger ducks and the color of the body and bill aren't quite right. I wish I knew how to contact a guy I knew from an old poutry forum years back... he created his own duck breed and was REALLY good at duck genetics and could give some really educated thoughts on this bird. The color... it is dark here... I'm telling you, in the field that day it was good for cinnamon teal color on the body... it was a striking bird. Not saying it HAS to be CITE at all... just, that the color doesn't represent what was seen. And Benjamin... yeah, it's been a LONG year... August was the worst having a false order of protection filed, ending up without a home or car, having my 19 year old kicked out a week later then having to stay with me at a hotel, a birthday(I don't like aging), then our 20th anniversary, then court... The worst is behind... the present is so so... but it's better and could be worse. I've had support from family and friends... got a dirt cheap($700) car 2nd day out of the house, I'm back in the house, and on and on. Depending on which side of the coin I choose to look at today, life is good. And there's always birding... First mississippi kite I saw all year was when I was walking because I had no car... I wouldn't have seen it otherwise. ha. I'm not entirely sure my current vehicle will make it the 5 or so hours to chase a fork-tailed flycatcher but I'm working on another vehicle... we'll see. And I'm rambling... I do that. Perhaps 20 years is a long time to live with me. HA. Anyway... thanks for the thoughts on the bird so far. I wish I had a better camera back then and had better pictures. It really was a striking bird, no matter what it is. Oh... so, the bird is small... teal sized... it was significantly smaller than the mallards... so, either it has some form of teal lineage or, call duck(domestic). I'm not convinced of that but, I really can't say at this point. It's interesting to see someone say that a 2nd generation hybrid isn't likely... but would like to add to that, anything is possible. HOPEFULLY the next time I have confusing birds to get IDs for I'll have better photos... I'm getting a new camera soon... canon rebel t7 and hopefully I can use it well enough to get better pictures than the point and shoots I'm used to. We'll see.