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19 minutes ago, Benjamin said:

American Redstarts have yellow at the base of the secondaries, rather than on the greater coverts as on #4. I can't really think of any other species this could be than Golden-winged Warbler.

Agreed, although I think #3 looks good for a redstart. 

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11 minutes ago, The Bird Nuts said:

I agree with American Redstart for #3.  #4 does look like a Golden-winged Warbler, but I don't think we can rule out Blue-winged x Golden Winged.  I agree with the rest of Colton V's IDs.

 

Yes, #3 is of course a Redstart. For #4, technically we can't rule out a hybrid, but generally Blue-winged x Golden-winged is pretty rare, particularly in the midwest. I've seen many of both species individually but never a hybrid. I would certainly call this bird.

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Agree that the yellow bars on #4 are the spitting image of a GWW's, but.. if the OP is absolutely certain that photos 3 and 4 are of the same bird then we would have to go with redstart, wouldn't we? I have seen plenty of pics of redstarts with their yellow sidestripe appearing in all manner of shape and form.

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3 minutes ago, Benjamin said:

For #4, technically we can't rule out a hybrid, but generally Blue-winged x Golden-winged is very uncommon to pretty rare, particularly in the midwest. I've seen many of both species individually but never a hybrid. I would certainly call this bird.

That is interesting!  Thanks.  I wonder why that's the case.  I sure wish they didn't hybridize so much over here!

 

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5 minutes ago, liduck said:

Agree that the yellow bars on #4 are the spitting image of a GWW's, but.. if the OP is absolutely certain that photos 3 and 4 are of the same bird then we would have to go with redstart, wouldn't we? I have seen plenty of pics of redstarts with their yellow sidestripe appearing in all manner of shape and form.

The main issue is where specifically that yellow is. It certainly appears as though it is on the greater coverts, which would immediately rule out American Redstart as they have yellow at the base of their secondaries, i.e. no matter what OP says, they would be different birds. The only way in which #4 would be a Redstart would be if someone were to make the case that the yellow actually is at the base of the secondaries. To anyone that wishes to make that case, I'll point out that the yellow goes all the way to the edge of the wing, without making a 'v' shape.

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Thanks for the input!

As for the question if #3 and #4 are the same bird, these images were taken 40 seconds apart (with a few other images in between). I cannot be 100% sure that it is not the same bird, but I am fairly certain. I was following #3 in these relatively dense bushes and it could indeed be possible that right at the same time another bird came in the frame where #3 was in the same general direction (there were some moments that I lost track of the bird to pick it up a few seconds later, you probably know how that goes..)

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42 minutes ago, Benjamin said:

The main issue is where specifically that yellow is. It certainly appears as though it is on the greater coverts, which would immediately rule out American Redstart as they have yellow at the base of their secondaries, i.e. no matter what OP says, they would be different birds. The only way in which #4 would be a Redstart would be if someone were to make the case that the yellow actually is at the base of the secondaries. To anyone that wishes to make that case, I'll point out that the yellow goes all the way to the edge of the wing, without making a 'v' shape.

Thanks Ben, I do agree, the yellow barring does appear to be independent of the secondaries in this photo.  Now that I have Tim's blessing ☺️ I will go all in and say that there is almost a touch of the beginnings of a yellowish crown visible in the picture as well.

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19 hours ago, liduck said:

Agree that the yellow bars on #4 are the spitting image of a GWW's, but.. if the OP is absolutely certain that photos 3 and 4 are of the same bird then we would have to go with redstart, wouldn't we? I have seen plenty of pics of redstarts with their yellow sidestripe appearing in all manner of shape and form.

NO! They are decidedly and obviously different birds! You can see both the greater and median secondary coverts on both birds, and they differ greatly! #3 is definitely an AMRE. #4 definitely has GWWA genes.

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