Bitzgirl7 7 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Braeside On. Nov. 20. 2020 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avery 449 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 (edited) I think I can see some streaking in the undertail coverts, and the side streaking looks to thick, but I’ll leave this one to the experts. Edited November 20 by Avery Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLecy 72 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Since redpoll taxonomy is complex and considered incomplete by many, I would use caution in ID'ing any redpoll as a Hoary without better looks/photos. The left two birds do look pale and small billed and have softer tones to the auriculars compared the other COREs in the photos, but they have considerable streaking in the sides of the breast and flanks, which would typically point to CORE, (but wouldn't necessarily completely rule out HORE). Clear as mud, right?! There is just so much variation with redpolls that I would suggest conservatively calling the two birds on the left redpoll sp. (Acanthis sp.). Without better photos, particularly of the bird's uppers where you could see more details in the mantle, wings, etc. Additionally, the lighting is overcast, which may impact how bright the birds look in photos. Good read on CORE/HORE here. Hoary Redpoll that looks relatively similar to your birds, viewed ventrally, here. Common Redpoll that looks similar to yours, here. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Benjamin 759 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 FWIW, my impression is a light CORE on the left, rather than HORE, on account of its heavy bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bitzgirl7 7 Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 My wife took some pics on her camera of the same group of 40-50 Redpolls that I did. Merlin says the left one is a Hoary and the right one is a common. It appears these species are quite intermingled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avery 449 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 The second one is definitely a common, with those streaked undertail coverts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Benjamin 759 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Agree, with those photos all are definitely Common. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seanbirds 267 Posted Sunday at 03:52 AM Share Posted Sunday at 03:52 AM On 11/20/2020 at 5:18 PM, Benjamin said: Agree, with those photos all are definitely Common. So the first isn’t a Hoary? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Benjamin 759 Posted Sunday at 05:24 AM Share Posted Sunday at 05:24 AM 1 hour ago, Seanbirds said: So the first isn’t a Hoary? It would seem not 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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