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Pine siskin maybe?


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Hello, I thought this might be a pine siskin but I am not so sure anymore because they seem to be quite uncommon for the area when I saw this bird. The photos were taken late August in Muskoka, Ontario. The feathers seem quite ruffled which is making the ID tough for me. Anyone have any thoughts? Apologies for the poor photos.

Thank you!

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5 minutes ago, Avery said:

It's not a siskin, but I can't tell what it is either. It doesn't seem streaky enough, and what I can make out of the facial pattern is wring for siskin. Also the beak looks too long and not triangular.

ok thank you, I appreciate the input! i guess it remains a mystery  

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