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Red-tailed or Red-shouldered Hawk?

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14 hours ago, Melierax said:

Swainson's don't show belly bands. Red-tailed Hawk - probably Krider's? Not good with those subspecies.

Thanks for correcting me, I took a very quick glance before posting. I agree with Red-tailed Hawk now, the date alone should have ruled out Swainson's Hawk, let alone the belly band. Crazy how much variation there is within this species.

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6 hours ago, Tony Leukering said:


What I'm curious about is why Red-shouldered would be considered, given that it does not have the dark streaking on the chest typical of juveniles, nor the red barring on the underparts typical of adults.

Plus juvs would not. Be around now which would make just a little more similar

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In my limited experience, Red-shouldereds are more likely to hang out around wet areas - swamps, marshes, beaver ponds, etc.  That doesn't mean they can't be found elsewhere, or that Red-taileds aren't in those areas too.  More often than not, when I see a buteo in a wet spot, it most often a Red-shouldered.

Young Red-shouldereds also seem to make more noise than their Red-tailed counterparts.

Just two random observations based on statistically insufficient populations.

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