Some Sparrows

[Dan P]

Let's see how I'm doing with sparrows.

Taken 11-15-2020 at Sepulveda Basin Wildlife Reserve, Van Nuys, CA

1) Song Sparrow ??  8695

2) Lincoln's Sparrow ??  8709

3) White-crowned Sparrow -- pretty sure.  8998

 

[Colton V]

1. Yes

2. Gonna call this one a Song because I don’t see any buff on the breast but idk

3. Yes

[Mark5]

I think 2nd bird looks like Savannah with that pink bill and lighter chest streaking.

[Aidan B]

37 minutes ago, Mark5 said:

I think 2nd bird looks like Savannah with that pink bill and lighter chest streaking.

Agreed

[Jefferson Shank]

Yes the 2nd on is a Savannah Sparrow. Note how thin the bill is compared to a Song Sparrow.

 

[IKLland]

In my opinion here is what I’m gonna go with 

1. song sparrow (heermanni group)

2.sparrow sp.

3. white-crowned sparrow( subspecies uncertain

 

if I had to say song or Savannah on bird #2 I would say song, I live in Orange County, Ca and that bird looks like a heermanni to me( which is what  get here) also remember how the Savannah sparrows here have some of the more yellow line? I did not write the real name cause I can’t spell it?? 

 

 

 

 

[IKLland]

@Tony Leukeringany thoughts on bird #2?

[Avery]

23 minutes ago, IKLland said:

In my opinion here is what I’m gonna go with 

1. song sparrow (heermanni group)

2.sparrow sp.

3. white-crowned sparrow( subspecies uncertain

 

if I had to say song or Savannah on bird #2 I would say song, I live in Orange County, Ca and that bird looks like a heermanni to me( which is what  get here) also remember how the Savannah sparrows here have some of the more yellow line? I did not write the real name cause I can’t spell it?? 

 

 

 

 

Does the heermanni group have a pink bill? I agree with @Jefferson Shank

[IKLland]

1 minute ago, Avery said:

Does the heermanni group have a pink bill? I agree with @Jefferson Shank

Yes, look at this

[Avery]

Also, the facial pattern is different between the song sparrow (not to be difficult, but the bill looks silver to me) and sparrow #2. The buffy cheek is also different. 

[Connor Cochrane]

With the black streaking size on the white breast, you can call it a heermanni subspecies not just a part of the group. The WCSP is Gambel’s 

[IKLland]

Just now, Connor Cochrane said:

With the black streaking size on the white breast, you can call it a heermanni subspecies not just a group.

On bird#1?

[Connor Cochrane]

Just now, IKLland said:

On bird#1?

Yes. I wasn’t really clear. Bird number 1 is Melospiza Melodia Heermanni. There are multiple subspecies in the heermanni group, and this bird is the subspecies the group is named after, heermanni. 

[IKLland]

Just now, Connor Cochrane said:

Yes. I wasn’t really clear. Bird number 1 is Melospiza Melodia Heermanni. There are multiple subspecies in the heermanni group, and this bird is the subspecies the group is named after, heermanni. 

Thanks and do you have any thoughts on bird #2?

[Connor Cochrane]

1 minute ago, IKLland said:

Thanks and do you have any thoughts on bird #2?

It’s Savannah. I don’t see why there is any debate here. 

[IKLland]

2 minutes ago, Connor Cochrane said:

It’s Savannah. I don’t see why there is any debate here. 

Ok

[DLecy]

2 minutes ago, Connor Cochrane said:

It’s Savannah. I don’t see why there is any debate here. 

Agreed. Definitely a SAVS. Note the much smaller bill than the Song Sparrow, finer streaking below and thinner malar stripe.

[IKLland]

Alright I know nothin about sparrows

[Dan P]

Thank you all for your comments.

[Tony Leukering]

8 hours ago, IKLland said:

@Tony Leukeringany thoughts on bird #2?

Savannah

[Tony Leukering]

8 hours ago, Connor Cochrane said:

Melospiza Melodia Heermanni

Melospiza melodia heermanni -- species and subspecies names are never capitalized.

[IKLland]

1 hour ago, Tony Leukering said:

Savannah

Alright