floraphile Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 30 Dec 2020 Baldwin co. AL stand of Longleaf/Loblolly/shortleaf pines adjacent to riparian wetlands These pics were taken a couple of hours apart and may or may not represent the same individual. The second photo may not be useful for any ID beyond "Accipiter". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I’m leaning sharpie on the first one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Seanbirds said: I’m leaning sharpie on the first one. Because the wings are pushed forward slightly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I'm not sure, but my impression is Red-shouldered for #1 and Northern Harrier for #2. Let's see what others think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Bird Nuts said: I'm not sure, but my impression is Red-shouldered for #1 and Northern Harrier for #2. Let's see what others think. @The Bird Nuts--At the time I actually saw the bird, I thought Red Shouldered, also, but when I looked at the pic, I talked myself out of that ID because I thought the tail was too long for a Buteo. Edited December 31, 2020 by floraphile additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birding Boy Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Bird Nuts said: I'm not sure, but my impression is Red-shouldered for #1 and Northern Harrier for #2. Let's see what others think. My thoughts exactly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, Birding Boy said: My thoughts exactly ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Bird Nuts said: Red-shouldered for #1 and Northern Harrier for #2. I agree with this, especially with the Northern Harrier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birding Boy Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, Aidan B said: I agree with this, especially with the Northern Harrier. yeah, you can even see the buffy chest merging into the darker head area despite the blur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Birding Boy said: yeah, you can even see the buffy chest merging into the darker head area despite the blur. That is quite impressive that you two can ID from that pic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 @The Bird Nuts I thought the wings were far too broad for an accipiter--am I correct on this? But then the long tail threw me off Buteo. So, would the wing shape & their size relative to the body trump the tail length as far as determining Buteo vs. Accipiter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Leukering Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 18 minutes ago, Birding Boy said: My thoughts exactly Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, floraphile said: @The Bird Nuts I thought the wings were far too broad for an accipiter--am I correct on this? But then the long tail threw me off Buteo. So, would the wing shape & their size relative to the body trump the tail length as far as determining Buteo vs. Accipiter? Yes, I agree that the wings are too broad for an Accipiter, but I don't think the tail is too long for a Red-shouldered. Red-shouldereds have longer tails than many (all?) other Buteos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Leukering Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 The Northern Harrier is an adult female, as it's pale below with extensive streaking and has banded primary tips. Juveniles would be cinnamon below, while adult males would have black primary tips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tony Leukering said: The Northern Harrier is an adult female, as it's pale below with extensive streaking and has banded primary tips. Juveniles would be cinnamon below, while adult males would have black primary tips. Out of "Likes" for today, but thank you @Tony Leukering @Birding Boy @Aidan B for the ID on the Northern Harrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 hours ago, The Bird Nuts said: I'm not sure, but my impression is Red-shouldered for #1 and Northern Harrier for #2. Let's see what others think. totally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, The Bird Nuts said: I'm not sure, but my impression is Red-shouldered for #1 and Northern Harrier for #2. Let's see what others think. Yes, that rather does make sense. Those were actually my first impressions, but I brushed it off and went with accipiters. Thank you for correcting me! Edited December 31, 2020 by Seanbirds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 54 minutes ago, Seanbirds said: Yes, that rather does make sense. Those were actually my first impressions, but I brushed it off and went with accipiters. Thank you for correcting me! Here is bird #1 cropped and lighting adjustments you can make out the black and white end of wings, and a pale reddish color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 23 minutes ago, IKLland said: Here is bird #1 cropped and lighting adjustments you can make out the black and white end of wings, and a pale reddish color. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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