IKLland Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 I have this listed as domestic mallard, but now it’s confusing me. any thoughts? taken last week in Orange County, Ca thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferson Shank Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Looks good for domestic Mallard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 It is a domestic duck, and I'd say probably a Muscovy x Mallard, but I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birding Boy Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, The Bird Nuts said: It is a domestic duck, and I'd say probably a Muscovy x Mallard, but I'm not sure. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 5 hours ago, The Bird Nuts said: It is a domestic duck, and I'd say probably a Muscovy x Mallard, but I'm not sure. Your saying that is a hybrid? Also are all domestic ducks hybrids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, IKLland said: Your saying that is a hybrid? Also are all domestic ducks hybrids? So is it a domestic mallard x Muscovy hybrid? @The Bird Nuts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 5 hours ago, The Bird Nuts said: It is a domestic duck, and I'd say probably a Muscovy x Mallard, but I'm not sure. Wait, if it is a domestic duck how could it also be a hybrid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, IKLland said: Wait, if it is a domestic duck how could it also be a hybrid? I think what they mean is domestic Mallard X domestic Muscovy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Seanbirds said: I think what they mean is domestic Mallard X domestic Muscovy. Thx. So how can you tell a pure domestic mall from a hybrid? do you think I should count mall x Muscovy hybrid on my life list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 minute ago, IKLland said: Thx. So how can you tell a pure domestic mall from a hybrid? do you think I should count mall x Muscovy hybrid on my life list? Beats me. Ask the big guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 Just now, Seanbirds said: Beats me. Ask the big guys. Are you saying you’re sure of if I should add it to my list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 @Seanbirdsare all domestic ducks hybrid ducks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, IKLland said: do you think I should count mall x Muscovy hybrid on my life list? Most wouldn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Just now, IKLland said: @Seanbirdsare all domestic ducks hybrid ducks? No, not necessarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 Just now, Seanbirds said: No, not necessarily. Alright. Thanks. All the hybrid/ domestic ducks are confusing me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Just now, IKLland said: Alright. Thanks. All the hybrid/ domestic ducks are confusing me. You’re confusing me with all your questions! It’s the best way to learn, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Seanbirds said: You’re confusing me with all your questions! It’s the best way to learn, though. I would give you a haha, but oh well. Sorry for the confusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, Seanbirds said: Most wouldn’t. I will put it on a new hybrid list😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 minute ago, IKLland said: I would give you a haha, but oh well. Sorry for the confusion It’s okay. like I said, it’s the best way to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 I have edited the ebird checklist and added the photo. If anyone disagrees let me know because it is marked as rare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 minute ago, IKLland said: I will put it on a new hybrid list😆 You do that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Seanbirds said: You do that! Ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) You can think of a domestic ducks like domestic dogs. Most domestic ducks are mallards, but there are different variations or breeds created through selective breeding to creat ‘pure breeds’ of animals that look (and sometimes behave) a certain way. Such as in dogs, how there’s German Shepard’s and Chihuahuas, yet they are all actually the same species. So crossing a Chihuahua with a Dachshund may produce a weird looking Chiweenie, but genetically it is still a Canis familiaris, or even Canis lupus (as dogs are technically the same as wolves) Musocvy ducks are a different species of duck from mallard, as both have wild ,genetically different, forms. Domesticated muscovies also have their own variations or breeds like mallards do. So even though both are domesticated, it is still a hybrid as the two are different species. If you were to breed a domesticated white mallard with a normal wild type mallard, the offspring would still be just a mallard (Anas platyrhynchos) but with domestic genes. In eBird, I don’t think hybrids are recognized as a species and don’t actually count towards your life list. Edited January 6, 2021 by Aaron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestranger Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 10 hours ago, IKLland said: do you think I should count mall x Muscovy hybrid on my life list? This link might help you in your list making decisions, @IKLland. It's the ABA's guidelines/rules for submitting lists, which, unless I am mistaken, are the same guidelines that most serious birders follow when counting or listing birds. I'm not one of those serious birders, I'm a bird watcher not a bird counter/lister, but I'm sure those that are listers/counters will correct me if I'm wrong. ABA rules/guidelines are the standard in the birding community. https://www.aba.org/aba-recording-rules-and-interpretations/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 13 hours ago, IKLland said: Thx. So how can you tell a pure domestic mall from a hybrid? do you think I should count mall x Muscovy hybrid on my life list? I hope you got the answers to your other questions. I could be wrong, but I've never seen a domestic Mallard with an eyering; that is a Muscovy trait. But it has more of a Mallard shape and lacks the red skin around the bill of a Muscovy. So, yes, I think it is a domestic Mallard, domestic Muscovy hybrid, but I can't rule out pure Muscovy because I don't know much about them. It is probably best to report it on eBird as duck sp. and write in the comments that it is a domestic. This duck is not countable to your lifelist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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