neilpa Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Round 2 of leftover (heavily cropped) pics from 2020. These are all from Meek's Table, WA on June 27 1. Black Phoebe? 2. I think this is an empidonax but haven't been able to figure out which 3. A vireo? I've got almost no experience with these 4. Another vireo? 5. Western Bluebird? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birding Boy Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1:Yup Black Phoebe. 2: Pass, I don't know western flycatchers very well. 3: And your Vireos look like Chickadees to me, probably Black-Capped. 4: Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 and 4 look like Mountain Chickadee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 is Hammond’s/Dusky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birding Boy Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 31 minutes ago, AlexHenry said: 3 and 4 look like Mountain Chickadee Out of likes, but thanks for the correction. Shoulda seen that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 One looks like a Western-wood Pewee to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilpa Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 44 minutes ago, Aidan B said: One looks like a Western-wood Pewee to me. I’m not familiar with either but also considered Western-wood Pewee for 1. According to allaboutbirds.org I was well outside the expected range of Black Phoebe. . The bird is a so dark in the photos though, like the other phoebes examples I found. And I did find a handful of pics on Macaulay in the same county. Too bad I don’t have a pic of the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Number one is definitely a Black Phoebe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 I really don't think that number one is a Black Pheobe. I see them daily, and I just can not make this into one. In my experience, Black Pheobe almost never have a crest like the first bird does, and the posture that it is sitting in is not at all like a Black Pheobe and much more like a Pewee. In addition, when I zoom in on the first photo, I almost think I can see some yellow on the sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Wouldn’t it have more pronounced wing bars if it was a pewee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, Avery said: Wouldn’t it have more pronounced wing bars if it was a pewee? I think so, I might be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Aidan B said: I really don't think that number one is a Black Pheobe. I see them daily, and I just can not make this into one. In my experience, Black Pheobe almost never have a crest like the first bird does, and the posture that it is sitting in is not at all like a Black Pheobe and much more like a Pewee. In addition, when I zoom in on the first photo, I almost think I can see some yellow on the sides. I see about 50 a day here, that is certainly a black phoebe. Look at that bill, tail length, somewhat peaked head, white wingbars, black above white below. Nothin else looks like this. I have great experience with this species, that is certainly one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 How about Olive-sided Flycatcher for 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, AlexHenry said: How about Olive-sided Flycatcher for 1? That's probably it, I still can't make this a Pheobe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, IKLland said: I see about 50 a day here, that is certainly a black phoebe. Look at that bill, tail length, somewhat peaked head, white wingbars, black above white below. Nothin else looks like this. I have great experience with this species, that is certainly one Where are the white wing bars? On any black Phoebe for that matter? Edited January 6, 2021 by Avery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) Here's some examples of Olive-sided Flycatchers that match this bird. https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/52098751#_ga=2.181247015.1814565316.1608788119-569064978.1605837951 https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/67998901#_ga=2.92175770.1814565316.1608788119-569064978.1605837951 https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/100574961#_ga=2.143629621.1814565316.1608788119-569064978.1605837951 Edited January 6, 2021 by Aidan B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 To my understanding, Black Phoebe would be quite a rarity at this location, while Olive-sided Flycatcher is expected at this location, and the time of year and habitat also seem to support Olive-sided. Also, Western Wood-Peewee and Olive-sided Flycatcher are in the same genus (Contopus), maybe that is why @Aidan B initially thought this was a Peewee - although I think we can rule that out with the lack of obvious wing bars. The photo doesn’t give much to work with but coloration and shape, especially head and bill shape, and tail length, seem consistent with Olive-sided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilpa Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 This was quite the interesting discussion, thanks for all the consideration. I did find one more image of that same bird, here's the full uncropped photo in case that adds anything else. Anyone happen to have any thoughts on 5, what I thought was a western bluebird? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, neilpa said: This was quite the interesting discussion, thanks for all the consideration. I did find one more image of that same bird, here's the full uncropped photo in case that adds anything else. Anyone happen to have any thoughts on 5, what I thought was a western bluebird? Definitely a bluebird. I have no experience with western. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, neilpa said: Anyone happen to have any thoughts on 5, what I thought was a western bluebird? It appears that Mountain Bluebirds aren't as common at that location as Western Bluebirds are, but I'm not sure we can ID such a young bird from that photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 15 hours ago, Aidan B said: That's probably it, I still can't make this a Pheobe 10 hours ago, Avery said: Where are the white wing bars? On any black Phoebe for that matter? Never mind. It’s olive sided. @Averysorty I got confused as I was looking at something with wingbars at the time, they don’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelLong Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 11 hours ago, Avery said: Where are the white wing bars? On any black Phoebe for that matter? https://ebird.org/media/catalog?taxonCode=blkpho2&mediaType=p&sort=rating_rank_desc&q=Black Phoebe (White-winged) - Sayornis nigricans latirostris/angustirostris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, MichaelLong said: https://ebird.org/media/catalog?taxonCode=blkpho2&mediaType=p&sort=rating_rank_desc&q=Black Phoebe (White-winged) - Sayornis nigricans latirostris/angustirostris Ah. Thanks! Those pesky subspecies 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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