Two Hawks

[Dan P]

The bird in flight was taken 1-2-2021 in late afternoon above the Los Angeles River in Atwater Village, CA.  The white rump makes me think Northern Harrier, but under-wing pattern and streaking on the breast seem more representative of a Red-shouldered Hawk -- although a Northern Harrier has similar patterning.

The bird in the tree was taken 1-3-2021 in the afternoon at Hansen Dam, Los Angeles, CA.  I believe this is a Red-shouldered Hawk, but wish I could see the tail pattern.

[Jerry Friedman]

1. I agree with Red-shouldered because of the neat rows of white marks on the secondaries.

2. That's an accipiter.  A harrier would have white on the upper side--that's where the "rump" is--not under the base of the tail.  I'm going for Cooper's, but I'm not really good at these.

Edited January 8, 2021 by Jerry Friedman
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[Aidan B]

I agree with Red-shouldered and the accipiter is probably Cooper's.

[Dan P]

12 hours ago, Jerry Friedman said:

 

2. That's an accipiter.  A harrier would have white on the upper side--that's where the "rump" is--not under the base of the tail.  I'm going for Cooper's, but I'm not really good at these.

Well, I was seeing (imagining) the white as on the upper side (rump).  I will go with Accipiter species.  

Thanks both of you for your comments.

[Avery]

25 minutes ago, Dan P said:

Well, I was seeing (imagining) the white as on the upper side (rump).  I will go with Accipiter species.  

Thanks both of you for your comments.

Accipiters do flare their UnTC, and they can reach around and make the illusion of a white rump. 

[Charlie Spencer]

1.  Northern Harriers have a differently shaped head.  The face is flatter, more like an owl's.

Edited January 9, 2021 by Charlie Spencer