cccougar Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Neat encounter at the pond near my house in the Charleston, SC area. Spotted a Hawk in the tree then another on the alligator warning sign as I was trying to get closer to photograph the one in the tree. I don’t see a red tail, nor red shoulders. Could these be juveniles? So I need help with a positive ID of each. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Red-shouldered Hawks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 The one on the sign is a young bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccougar Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share Posted January 9, 2021 Thank you Kevin. Is it the time of year, the red shoulders not really showing? I usually don’t think of Hawks as cute. But the young one on the sign has a cute face. Could the one in the tree be the mother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 I don't see why they're not both adults. Juveniles don't have orange barring on the breast or black on the wings. By the way that black and white wing pattern plus the thin white bands on a black tail is diagnostic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccougar Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share Posted January 9, 2021 Explain diagnostic please Bird Nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, cccougar said: Explain diagnostic please Bird Nuts. According to Merriam-Webster, diagnostic means "serving to distinguish or identify." No other bird of prey in the U.S. has that color/pattern combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccougar Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share Posted January 9, 2021 Thank you Bird Nuts and Merriam-Webster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Brain Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Agree that these are adult Red-shouldered Hawks. In reply to the title of this thread, Hawk He, I can't determine if they are Hawk Hes or Hawk Shes. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccougar Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 Bird Brain- The headline was supposed to read Hawk Help. That is a good question you raise whether these hawks are he’s or she’s! Can anyone answer that and provide the insights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, cccougar said: Bird Brain- The headline was supposed to read Hawk Help. That is a good question you raise whether these hawks are he’s or she’s! Can anyone answer that and provide the insights? There are no plumage differences and you can only tell male from female if they are together as the females are larger than the males. Otherwise, we can't tell from photos like these. Edited January 10, 2021 by The Bird Nuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Brain Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 hour ago, cccougar said: Bird Brain- The headline was supposed to read Hawk Help. That is a good question you raise whether these hawks are he’s or she’s! Can anyone answer that and provide the insights? I thought that's what it was meant to say. I was trying to be funny, but I'm glad it raised the question. I agree with The Bird Nuts reply that you pretty much have to see them together to distinguish male from female. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 4 hours ago, The Bird Nuts said: I don't see why they're not both adults. Juveniles don't have orange barring on the breast or black on the wings. By the way that black and white wing pattern plus the thin white bands on a black tail is diagnostic. Your right. Sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 18 hours ago, Kevin said: The one on the sign is a young bird. I disagree but look, does he want a gator or to be eaten by one? ( talking about the hawk) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbvol50 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 18 hours ago, The Bird Nuts said: I don't see why they're not both adults. Juveniles don't have orange barring on the breast or black on the wings. By the way that black and white wing pattern plus the thin white bands on a black tail is diagnostic. Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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