IKLland Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) Orange County, Ca Sorry about the quality. Bird one: I believe I have a Herring Gull. Am I correct? Bird two??? Thanks!!!!!!! Edited January 11, 2021 by IKLland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 here is one more pic of bird #2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 One looks decent for Herring, Two looks like a Western x Glaucous-winged Gull in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, Aidan B said: One looks decent for Herring, Two looks like a Western x Glaucous-winged Gull in my opinion. Was not expecting that!! Thanks, I will wait for one more to confirm it!! thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, Aidan B said: One looks decent for Herring, Two looks like a Western x Glaucous-winged Gull in my opinion. If this is correct, then herring is a lifer, and I have never seen an Olympic!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, Aidan B said: One looks decent for Herring, Two looks like a Western x Glaucous-winged Gull in my opinion. Maybe @Tony Leukeringcan give us confirmation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Why not both Western? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Cochrane Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, AlexHenry said: Why not both Western? Agreed. I have no problem with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Connor Cochrane said: Agreed. I have no problem with this That was my first thought but then I looked and thought herring, Cali Edited January 11, 2021 by IKLland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 @Connor Cochraneisn’t bird #2 too light for western? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, Connor Cochrane said: Agreed. I have no problem with this Also what cycle is bird #1 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 Also @Connor Cochrane exactly what field marks are you using to ID these gulls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Bird 1 is in its second winter. Bird 2 is in its first winter. Both look fine for Western Gull to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Cochrane Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, IKLland said: Also @Connor Cochrane exactly what field marks are you using to ID these gulls? You have large, dark, pink-footed gulls with a big heavy bill where the expected species is Western. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Connor Cochrane said: You have large, dark, pink-footed gulls with a big heavy bill where the expected species is Western. Thanks, but don’t herring also have pink legs and large bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelLong Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 29 minutes ago, IKLland said: Thanks, but don’t herring also have pink legs and large bill? Expected Species Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 35 minutes ago, IKLland said: Thanks, but don’t herring also have pink legs and large bill? Yes, but there are several plumage and structural features which suggest Western over Herring. For example, referring to bird 1, a second winter Herring Gull would have a paler iris and paler mantle/scapulars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) @AlexHenry @Connor Cochrane Why not Cal Gull for the first bird with that downward curved gape and smallish, strongly bicolored bill? Edited January 11, 2021 by Hasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLecy Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hasan said: @AlexHenry @Connor Cochrane Why not Cal Gull for the first bird with that downward curved gape and smallish, strongly bicolored bill? I agree with Western Gull. The soft parts here are WEGU, not CAGU. A 2nd cy. CAGU would have a thinner, less bulbous, strongly bicolored bill with the proximal 2/3 being bone colored, not yellow/orange/pinkish. Also, the legs would be a blue-gray, not pink like this bird. Typical 2nd cy. CAGU - http://gull-research.org/smithsonianus/smith2cy/calif01.html Edited January 11, 2021 by DLecy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 10 hours ago, AlexHenry said: Yes, but there are several plumage and structural features which suggest Western over Herring. For example, referring to bird 1, a second winter Herring Gull would have a paler iris and paler mantle/scapulars. Thanks everyone!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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