IKLland Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 ruby-crowned kinglet or Hutton's Vireo? Sorry about the photos, this little fellow was quick, and the lighting was poor, i had to bring up the brightness a lot! Taken today in Orange County, Ca thanks! Both are the same bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) This is a Hutton's Vireo, note the wing with two white wing bars without black, the heavier structure to the body, and the blueish feet. Edited January 27, 2021 by Aidan B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Aidan B said: This is a Hutton's Vireo, note the wing with two white wing bars, the heavier structure to the body, and the blueish feet. thanks, don't kinglets also have two white wingbars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, IKLland said: thanks, don't kinglets also have two white wingbars? they do, the Hutton's wing bars are just larger and have no black below them Edited January 27, 2021 by Aidan B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Aidan B said: they do, the Hutton's wing bars are just larger and have no black below them thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Is this really identifiable? It's probably been a year since I've last seen a HUVI but I'm not really convinced we have enough to make an ID here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 That second photo appears to show a strong black bar below the white one. More than the appearance, the behavior says RCKI to me. @IKLland describes the bird as 'quick'. AAB describes Hutton's as 'forages slowly'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Hasan said: Is this really identifiable? It's probably been a year since I've last seen a HUVI but I'm not really convinced we have enough to make an ID here. I'm looking at it now and I'm thinking the same thing, probably best not to make IDs when I am tired. Sorry for the previous wrong ID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colton V Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I personally like Vireo. The bill looks fine in the second photo, but it's hard to tell if that's caused by lighting. The round body and large head seem better for Hutton's Vireo. The black below the wing bar is a tricky field mark. Look at this photo for example: https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/273312341#_ga=2.100060062.1220048514.1611466268-2011332678.1600712524 But, I also agree that a confident ID can't be made from these photos and I probably don't know what I'm talking about, so feel free to ignore this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Charlie Spencer said: That second photo appears to show a strong black bar below the white one. More than the appearance, the behavior says RCKI to me. @IKLland describes the bird as 'quick'. AAB describes Hutton's as 'forages slowly'. And since I didn't make it clear, I'm only leaning RCKI. I wouldn't mark it as one either. Banding code UNID Edited January 27, 2021 by Charlie Spencer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I will say that I am still leaning towards a video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulK Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Chiming in with support for team Kinglet, based largely on the faintness of the wingbar but mostly on the view of the bill from beneath in the first photo. Re the shape it looks like this one to me which is obviously a kinglet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) Thanks everyone! @Connor Cochranedo you have an thoughts on this bird? Thanks if you do. Edited January 27, 2021 by IKLland Things finch ou doot doesn’t exist.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferson Shank Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I will say that I am still leaning towards a video. Doubt he has a video of it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 Just now, Jefferson Shank said: Doubt he has a video of it... Yeah, I did not take a video, it was quick so maybe I should identify these on here by a video, of kinglets easier to get good video than photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulK Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Could you imagine how badly autofocus would do on a kinglet in a video? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Cochrane Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I'm team Vireo here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birding Boy Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 That looks very vireolike to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Aidan B said: I will say that I am still leaning towards a video. Auto correct!!!! I still think it's a Vireo Edited January 27, 2021 by Aidan B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 13 hours ago, Aidan B said: Auto correct!!!! I still think it's a Vireo Birds: another reason to disable AutoCorrect immediately after first booting a device. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 hours ago, Connor Cochrane said: I'm team Vireo here 16 hours ago, Birding Boy said: That looks very vireolike to me. 16 hours ago, Aidan B said: Auto correct!!!! I still think it's a Vireo Yeah, when I saw it I thought vireo, but wanted confirmation. thanks for all the replies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 The behavior still sounds more like a kinglet, but I have no field experience with Hutton's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Cochrane Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said: The behavior still sounds more like a kinglet, but I have no field experience with Hutton's. Hutton's Vireo aren't slow moving birds, the just aren't as jumpy as kinglets. It's not like they slowly walk around, they still move pretty quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulK Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, Connor Cochrane said: Hutton's Vireo aren't slow moving birds, the just aren't as jumpy as kinglets. It's not like they slowly walk around, they still move pretty quickly. That's good to know. Every one of them I've seen has been skulking quietly in a bush hiding from sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Is tail length (and maybe wing length) much different between the two? Because the tail looks too long for a RCKI to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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