The Bird Nuts Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I want to get your opinions on these two hawks. The first one was confirmed as a NOGO then confirmed again after I flagged it (and gave details)... https://ebird.org/checklist/S80696833 https://ebird.org/checklist/S80667781 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) Haha, I saw that report, but didn't look at it. That's a Red-tail. I just went in and flagged it as well. I know the guy whose pics are in the second link, and he was with JO when he got that bird. Pus, the white UnTC, bulkyness, and supercilium look good for NOGO to me. Edited February 10, 2021 by Avery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 Thanks @Avery. Yeah, I'd hate to keep flagging that one report... I can see the last one as a NOGO, but I just wanted to see what others think. I've never heard of white undertail coverts being a field mark; usually they're streaked. Is it because they contrast with the (very slightly) more tan belly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Bird Nuts said: Thanks @Avery. Yeah, I'd hate to keep flagging that one report... I can see the last one as a NOGO, but I just wanted to see what others think. I've never heard of white undertail coverts being a field mark; usually they're streaked. Is it because they contrast with the (very slightly) more tan belly? Oop, I got turned around in my head. You're right, usually young Gos's have streaked UnTC. I think we just can't see them in these pics, which is a little odd. That white supercilium is conspicous though, and you can kinda see the buffy bar on the greater coverts in flight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Avery said: Oop, I got turned around in my head. You're right, usually young Gos's have streaked UnTC. I think we just can't see them in these pics, which is a little odd. Well, JP mentioned the white undertail coverts and that's why I was confused. I know that not all NOGOs have streaked undertail coverts, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 NOGO? No go. These birds are way too bulky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) The first bird is a RSHA IMO. Second looks fine for Goshawk. Edited February 10, 2021 by Hasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birding Boy Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hasan said: The first bird is a RSHA. Why not Red-tailed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLecy Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 The wing/tail ratio seems off for NOGO to me. I would expect the bird to appear longer-tailed if it were a NOGO. This photo leaves much to be desired. I would be inclined to call it a RSHA as well, but unless I had better pictures and/or could describe accurately what I saw in the field, I would likely leave it as buteo sp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 First bird is clearly a buteo Second bird is a large juvenile accipiter, I’m not convinced it’s a Goshawk though - Coop/Gos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Birding Boy said: Why not Red-tailed? GISS, petite bill, white eyebrow, and what we can see of the patterning on the belly. I don't really see how this could be Red-tailed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 hours ago, The Bird Nuts said: Well, JP mentioned the white undertail coverts and that's why I was confused. I know that not all NOGOs have streaked undertail coverts, though. All about birds say immatures have all white coverts like adults. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Hasan said: GISS, petite bill, white eyebrow, and what we can see of the patterning on the belly. I don't really see how this could be Red-tailed White eyebrow is expected for young borealis RTHA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Leukering Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 On 2/10/2021 at 10:00 AM, Avery said: the white UnTC Juv NOGO typically have noticeably dark-streaked under-tail covs, not pure, bright white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Tony Leukering said: Juv NOGO typically have noticeably dark-streaked under-tail covs, not pure, bright white. Yeah, I realized that when I was total king to the guy who took the picture. I do see a bunch of pic of immature NOGO with white UnTC, like adults though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferson Shank Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 The NOGO sighting has been removed from the 1st checklist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP48 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 There have been at least two other reports of NOGO at or near this location since. One eBird report has some pretty good pictures (funny, but I drove by the guy making the report as he sat in his car on the side of the road, just at the time of his report - I didn't see any hawks there that day). I can link his re4port if other people think it's appropriate. That road is quite near me, and I've driven it maybe 10 times in the last few weeks. I've spotted Red-tailed and Rough-legged Hawks, but not this bird. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 Yeah, and there are more reports coming with no photos.... I'm afraid people are going to that road with goshawk on their minds and reporting any bird that they think looks similar. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLecy Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 59 minutes ago, The Bird Nuts said: Yeah, and there are more reports coming with no photos.... I'm afraid people are going to that road with goshawk on their minds and reporting any bird that they think looks similar. Stringers gon' string. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, DLecy said: Stringers gon' string. Yup...What is the reviewer supposed to do? I don't want that job... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP48 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 I just went back to find the pictures I mentioned above, and discovered that he had changed his ID to Cooper's Hawk. I suspect the local reviewer has been approaching these guys. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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