The Bird Nuts Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Well done @Avery! Are you using headphones? Do you think they would help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Bird Nuts said: Well done @Avery! Are you using headphones? Do you think they would help? I am using headphones, and nice mixing headphones at that. My last attempt I used my desktop studio monitors, though I think the only difference is the headphones helped me focus more on tone quality, since the headphones help block out outside sounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) Well... That didn't take long. Very impressive, @Avery! Try as I might, I can't get over 81%. I'm up to 500+ guesses at this point. I've lost a lot of my perfect 100s, just because sometimes my mind blanks/spelling error OR if you listen to enough you find a bird singing a really weird song. Here's my current chart. I can't wait to add more quizzes. I think I might work on a Western one tonight. Edited March 16, 2021 by Hasan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 7 hours ago, Hasan said: Well... That didn't take long. Very impressive, @Avery! Try as I might, I can't get over 81%. I'm up to 500+ guesses at this point. I've lost a lot of my perfect 100s, just because sometimes my mind blanks/spelling error OR if you listen to enough you find a bird singing a really weird song. Here's my current chart. I can't wait to add more quizzes. I think I might work on a Western one tonight. Yeah, there are some weird songs! This kind of site is perfect for ear training! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colton V Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 13 hours ago, Hasan said: I think I might work on a Western one tonight. Please do! (coming from a biased Westerner) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) @Avery ? Let's keep this competitive. PS. the ranking is based on true percentage so they'll switch the moment you go over mine. Edited March 17, 2021 by Hasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, Hasan said: @Avery ? Let's keep this competitive. PS. the ranking is based on true percentage so they'll switch the moment you go over mine. Game on ? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 @Hasan 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I just did a run of 500 and got 77%. I'm getting better! I still have trouble with Wilson's/Nashville, Hooded/Magnolia, and, of course, Bay-breasted... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Cochrane Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, The Bird Nuts said: I just did a run of 500 and got 77%. I'm getting better! I still have trouble with Wilson's/Nashville, Hooded/Magnolia, and, of course, Bay-breasted... Interesting. Wilson's and Nashville sound nothing alike to me. I struggle with Blue/Golden-winged, Pine, and Chestnut-sided/Yellow, along with many others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 22 minutes ago, Connor Cochrane said: Interesting. Wilson's and Nashville sound nothing alike to me. Huh, maybe you could give me some tips? Both have a two-part song, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Cochrane Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, The Bird Nuts said: Huh, maybe you could give me some tips? Both have a two-part song, right? The eastern subspecies of WIWA give a two part song, while the western songs contain a single part. They both have the same tone to it. I think of Wilson's as single notes slowly getting quicker, even though they don't pick up much speed. I feel like once you figure out the tone of WIWA it 's pretty easy. Here's a western song from my house: https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/219195241#_ga=2.49069796.379575720.1614479523-590164031.1614479523 Nashville Warbler have two part songs. At least for the western ones, the first part of the song seems a little bit like Yellow Warbler, with each note deciding from high to low, while the second part of the song is stable. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Chestnut-sided Warbler and Yellow Warbler are two that I sometimes get confused in the field. Mostly trying to turn Yellows into Chestnut-sided, until I hear a real Chestnut-sided and it’s obvious! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 A couple of tips: Blue-winged vs Golden-winged: the second syllable of Blue-winged is generally much fatter- almost fart-like. Classic Blue-winged is a two-syllable song, though it can sometimes have more. Classic Golden-winged has upwards of three syllables after the initial syllable, and is not so thick or 'fat' in quality. I've also found Golden-winged is on average more variable and can sing weird songs, though I wonder how much of that is due to hybridization and backcrossing. Hooded vs Magnolia: Hooded has a slightly richer/deeper tone and is typically a tad slower than Magnolia, which is a bit higher and more hurried. Nashville vs Wilson's: Nashville is high pitched and strongly two-parted (with the first part often sounding sqeaky-wheelish, and the second are fast 'chups'), where Wilson's is just a string of random 'chups'. The quality of Wilson's can be close to Hooded or Connecticut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I am having trouble with some of the more southeast warblers, like Yellow-throated Warbler, Hooded Warbler, Kentucky Warbler, Prothonotary Warbler, Louisiana Waterthrush, etc. I've never lived in the southeast, so those are tougher for me. Also finding that some Palm Warbler vocalizations can be similar to some Worm-eating Warbler vocalizations! On songs that I don't know, I find myself listening to the birds in the background to help me. If you hear stuff like Tufted Titmouse and Red-bellied Woodpecker, you know its farther south. But if you're hearing stuff like White-throated Sparrows, Alder Flycatchers, or Olive-sided Flycatchers in the background, you know its farther north. There are also a few environmental clues other than the background birds. For example, in a couple of the Louisiana Waterthrush songs, I could hear running water in the background! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 @AlexHenry Yes! The background sounds helped me too. I could see the habitat in my mind when I could identify the other birds and hear water, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) So.... Here's the empid quiz. It is over ALL NA empids (except for Buff-breasted Flycatcher). So Acadian, Alder, Cordilleran, Dusky, Hammond's, Gray, Least, Pacific-slope, and Willow. I'm at 45%. It's pretty obvious, I don't know western empids. Who is gonna claim the throne in this one? http://benguofilms.com/empids.php It was a little hacky putting this together- I'm going to be improving my workflow in the coming week. It's a bunch of backend stuff so hopefully it won't be noticeable or cause any problems, but once I've situated that correctly it will be much easier to pump out more quizzes. Edited March 21, 2021 by Hasan 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) I needed to work on my empids, so this is really helpful! My patch is the best place in the county for five western empids, and all them except Pacific-slope and Willow hit the filter despite them being regular in my patch. I'm really struggling between Hammond's and Dusky, anyone have any tips? Edited March 21, 2021 by Aidan B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Cochrane Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Aidan B said: I needed to work on my empids, so this is really helpful! My patch is the best place in the county for empids, and all but Pacific-slope and Willow hit the filter despite them being regular in my patch. I'm really struggling between Hammond's and Dusky, anyone have any tips? Hammond's are higher pitched usually. My biggest problem is spelling everything correctly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Cochrane Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, Connor Cochrane said: Hammond's are higher pitched usually. My biggest problem is spelling everything correctly. Their song also goes a little different. I find it sounds like the calls are in pairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Thanks for the tips! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I know somewhere there is one of these for empid flycatchers but I just can't find it. Can someone give me a link to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Kevin said: I know somewhere there is one of these for empid flycatchers but I just can't find it. Can someone give me a link to it? I found it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 The ones that give me the most trouble are the Hammonds/Dusky/Gray. Sibley's descriptions of the calls helped solidify them in my mind (somewhat). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 Don't know if anyone cares but the website is currently down for maintenance. I'm working on getting my databases working (removing all the stupid hacky stuff I did hahaha). Also, specifically for @The Bird Nuts, I noticed that you had a bunch of duplicate 'BirdNut1' accounts, if you will. I combined all of them, but I did not know which one you are currently using. Once the website is up and running, if you lose your score, just post on this thread or shoot me a PM and I'll fix it. Some features that are on my horizon: - More quizzes! My next targets are shorebirds, thrushes, vireos, Robin-like songs (tanagers, grosbeaks, etc.) - Better leaderboards linked across quizzes so we can see rankings overall! - Data about commonly missed species - Instructional materials - Redesign? As always, any suggestions on what you guys want to see are appreciated! Just a fun aside because this is probably like wayyyy far off but it could be fun to do some machine learning to try to separate very similar species by sound or photo. Think merlin but more specific, like an AI to separate Alder/Willow Flycatcher or for NFC calls. I have some experience with neural nets but I'm crazy busy right now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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