Charlie Spencer Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 7 hours ago, Aaron said: eBird allows you to tag additional species in photos It does? I'll have to look for that. Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said: It does? I'll have to look for that. Thanks! After you upload a photo click on it, and to the right there should be all kinds of options, one of which is that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Charlie Spencer said: don't zoom in to rate photo Ok, that’s fine. But, do you agree that sharpness is one of the most important things to rating? If yes, Sharpness is best evaluated by zooming in to 100 percent, and if it’s still pretty clear p, it’s sharp. That might not work for this image, but I think in future, you should zoom in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestranger Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 12 hours ago, IKLland said: Ok, that’s fine. But, do you agree that sharpness is one of the most important things to rating? If yes, Sharpness is best evaluated by zooming in to 100 percent, and if it’s still pretty clear p, it’s sharp. That might not work for this image, but I think in future, you should zoom in. Do you look at works of art with a magnifying glass? While I agree that sharpness is needed for a good image, pixel peeping is equivalent to using a magnifying glass to look at a painting that is usually viewed from feet away, not inches. Yeah it will show you if it's TACK SHARP, or tack sharp, or SHARP, or sharp, etc, etc, but it will also exaggerate the flaws making something that's not really visible, like subtle noise, look magnified to unacceptable levels. TACK SHARP focus is not needed to have a nice sharp photo, if it was I would have given up on photography years ago, maybe I should have. 😄 I too check the sharpness of MY photos when I sort them for editing but I don't go around zooming in on every photo I view to pixel peep other people's work, unless of course there's a big commotion on here about how a photo on ebird is under or over rated. 😉 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestranger Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 As for rating photos, I think EVERYONE should rate photos on how good or bad they think the photo is based on the guidelines ebird has set. I do not think ANYONE should rate a photo based on how good or bad other people think the photo is. Over or under rating a photo based on it's current rating in order to manipulate that rating just doesn't sit well with me. I think a photo should be rated for the photo, not the rating, and the suggested guidelines should be applied the same to ALL photos. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 21 hours ago, IKLland said: Ok, that’s fine. But, do you agree that sharpness is one of the most important things to rating? If yes, Sharpness is best evaluated by zooming in to 100 percent, and if it’s still pretty clear p, it’s sharp. That might not work for this image, but I think in future, you should zoom in. I agree that being in focus is very important for why I view Macaulay images. When I'm using them as lD references, I looking at either the entire bird or large sections of it; I'm not interested in individual feather shafts. As long as those large areas are visually distinguishable, that's 'sharp' enough for me to not knock off any rating points. I would say sharp isn't an artistic requirement either. If it was, Pointillism and Impressionism wouldn't be popular, and examples of the styles wouldn't be considered masterpieces. I'll agree that if I'm choosing between keeping two of my photos, and most other considerations being equal, I'll zoom in and keep the sharper one. Since I rate each Mac photo individually on its own merits, comparing sharpness doesn't come into play. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said: Since I rate each Mac photo individually on its own merits, comparing sharpness does come into play. Blast it, that should say "doesn't". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Charlie Spencer said: Blast it, that should say "doesn't". @Aveschapines @Kevin could you fix that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Seanbirds said: @Aveschapines @Kevin could you fix that? Sure. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdNrd Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Someone rated this photo a 1. What do you think? 4 or 5? https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/390722291 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, BirdNrd said: Someone rated this photo a 1. What do you think? 4 or 5? https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/390722291 5 for me, but I should probably be disqualified from posting in this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Quiscalus quiscula said: 5 for me Five for me too. 6 minutes ago, Quiscalus quiscula said: I should probably be disqualified from posting in this thread. Why?!!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Just now, Seanbirds said: Why?!!? I don't know, I'm just not a photographer and I don't really understand about it either. I've made a few half-hearted attempts to try in the past, but sometimes photography seems almost like a requirement for being a birder, especially since there are so many awesome photographers on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Quiscalus quiscula said: I don't know, I'm just not a photographer and I don't really understand about it either. That’s fine. 7 minutes ago, Quiscalus quiscula said: but sometimes photography seems almost like a requirement for being a birder It’s definitely not, BUT… 8 minutes ago, Quiscalus quiscula said: especially since there are so many awesome photographers on here. I get that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Just now, Seanbirds said: That’s fine. It’s definitely not, BUT… I get that. Yeah, it's interesting being the birder without the camera. It's a comfort to know that Richard Guthrie, one of the best birders around here, only has one photo uploaded to Macaulay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 15 hours ago, lonestranger said: Do you look at works of art with a magnifying glass? While I agree that sharpness is needed for a good image, pixel peeping is equivalent to using a magnifying glass to look at a painting that is usually viewed from feet away, not inches. Yeah it will show you if it's TACK SHARP, or tack sharp, or SHARP, or sharp, etc, etc, but it will also exaggerate the flaws making something that's not really visible, like subtle noise, look magnified to unacceptable levels. TACK SHARP focus is not needed to have a nice sharp photo, if it was I would have given up on photography years ago, maybe I should have. 😄 I too check the sharpness of MY photos when I sort them for editing but I don't go around zooming in on every photo I view to pixel peep other people's work, unless of course there's a big commotion on here about how a photo on ebird is under or over rated. 😉 Thanks. Guess I was overthinking this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 15 hours ago, lonestranger said: As for rating photos, I think EVERYONE should rate photos on how good or bad they think the photo is based on the guidelines ebird has set. I do not think ANYONE should rate a photo based on how good or bad other people think the photo is. Over or under rating a photo based on it's current rating in order to manipulate that rating just doesn't sit well with me. I think a photo should be rated for the photo, not the rating, and the suggested guidelines should be applied the same to ALL photos. Thanks for this, that really helps. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 53 minutes ago, BirdNrd said: Someone rated this photo a 1. What do you think? 4 or 5? https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/390722291 High four for me. The background is a tad distracting, but very nice shot! I gave it a five, to get you some better ratings, though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, BirdNrd said: Someone rated this photo a 1. What do you think? 4 or 5? https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/390722291 I’m on the phone but at least a four. 53 minutes ago, Quiscalus quiscula said: I don't know, I'm just not a photographer and I don't really understand about it either. I've made a few half-hearted attempts to try in the past, but sometimes photography seems almost like a requirement for being a birder, especially since there are so many awesome photographers on here. Don’t let that prevent you from rating photos. Just read Macaulay’s rating criteria and join in! https://support.ebird.org/en/support/solutions/articles/48001064392-rating-media#RatingPhotos? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 How would you guys rate this? https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/391236241 or this: https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/391235481 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 2 hours ago, IKLland said: How would you guys rate this? https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/391236241 or this: https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/391235481 I'd say a high four for the first- nice photo, but you can tell there's some noise. Second is pretty much a five for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 How would you guys rate this? Not mine, but it’s a four for me. That background is really distracting. https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/391738041 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, IKLland said: How would you guys rate this? Not mine, but it’s a four for me. That background is really distracting. https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/391738041 Yeah, not a five, that's for sure. The background isn't too bad, but the bird is rather small in the frame and not particularly detailed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Five? It’s a three. Very small in the frame, lacking good sharpness, and the bird is way, way to far to the right. https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/391917711 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 6 hours ago, IKLland said: Five? It’s a three. Very small in the frame, lacking good sharpness, and the bird is way, way to far to the right. https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/391917711 https://support.ebird.org/en/support/solutions/articles/48001064392-rating-media says nothing about the position of the bird relative to the frame as factor to consider. This bird is sharp and large enough for me to easily see the details. I would have given it a solid 4, but have no problem with others giving it a 5. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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