South Florida Black Bird ID needed

[dragon49]

Taken this afternoon in Boynton beach, Florida:

[Connor Cochrane]

American/Fish Crow

[dragon49]

Another new ID for me and #56 on my Life List!

 

Ty

[IKLland]

3 hours ago, dragon49 said:

Another new ID for me and #56 on my Life List!

 

Ty

this is unidentifiable. It's either an american crow or a fish crow. Without knowing the voice on a recording, they cannot be tolled apart. This bird does not count on you life list. ( Well, most birders wouldn't count this. For ebird, best left as fish/american crow.

[Tony Leukering]

15 minutes ago, IKLland said:

tolled

Birds are being charged tolls? ?

On/near the immediate coast on peninsular Florida, Fish Crow is much more likely than is American Crow. In many parts of the immediate coast there, American is quite rare.

18 minutes ago, IKLland said:

this is unidentifiable

Agreed.

[dragon49]

19 hours ago, IKLland said:

this is unidentifiable. It's either an american crow or a fish crow. Without knowing the voice on a recording, they cannot be tolled apart. This bird does not count on you life list. ( Well, most birders wouldn't count this. For ebird, best left as fish/american crow.

Very much appreciate the diligence.  I misunderstood the first response.  I don't want to be a phony about my life list and and have removed that entry.  Here are the rest of the pics I took of that bird and it close companion.  Any way to tell whether these are American crows or Fish crows?  I have no audio and don't remember hearing any calls that I could have described.

Edit - looks like both types are year-round residents of Florida.  If it helps with the ID, the birds were in the Everglades, on a levy trail, around 1 mile south of Lee Road.

Edited April 11, 2021 by dragon49

[Avery]

In all likely hood, they are Fish Crows. But, just because something is more common doesn’t mean that a different species cannot be there. That’s why we have to leave these unidentified, as the most reliable way to tell these two species apart in the field is by their calls. 

[dragon49]

8 minutes ago, Avery said:

In all likely hood, they are Fish Crows. But, just because something is more common doesn’t mean that a different species cannot be there. That’s why we have to leave these unidentified, as the most reliable way to tell these two species apart in the field is by their calls. 

Ty - I'll take a video next time I see these on the trail and hope I catch a call.

[Avery]

17 minutes ago, dragon49 said:

Ty - I'll take a video next time I see these on the trail and hope I catch a call.

You probably can tell yourself!

Here's what an AMCR (think "caw" )sounds like:https://search.macaulaylibrary.org/catalog?taxonCode=amecro&mediaType=a&q=American Crow - Corvus brachyrhynchos

and here's a FICR (think "uh-uh"): https://search.macaulaylibrary.org/catalog?taxonCode=fiscro&mediaType=a&q=Fish Crow - Corvus ossifragus

[cvanbosk]

On 4/10/2021 at 8:32 PM, dragon49 said:

Another new ID for me and #56 on my Life List!

 

Ty

Dragon49

Listen to some recordings of the vocalizations of both types of crows. They are VERY different and with just a bit of experience, they are EASY to tell apart. With that, you will quickly get TWO new birds on your life list! Good luck!

[Seanbirds]

15 hours ago, Avery said:

(think "uh-uh")

I think “ah-ah” describes it better.

Edited April 12, 2021 by Seanbirds

[Charlie Spencer]

4 minutes ago, Seanbirds said:

I think “ah-ah” describes it better.

There's the old mnemonic, "Ask the crow, 'Are you an American Crow?'  The Fish Crow will answer, 'Uh-uh!' "