Dan P Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Taken on 4-29-2021 in the morning at Bear Divide in Angeles National Forest (between Canyon Country and Lake View Terrace, CA). Ongoing migration count and banding station. I know everyone says you need to see the tail feathers to distinguish female/immature Rufous from an Allen's. So that's what I've got, but I don't know exactly what I'm looking for. My feeling is a Rufous, but I can't say why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Rufous. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Dan P said: I know everyone says you need to see the tail feathers to distinguish female/immature Rufous from an Allen's. So that's what I've got, but I don't know exactly what I'm looking for. The broadness of the outermost rectrices. Allen's have pin-like feathers, while on your bird they are fairly wide. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLecy Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Avery said: The broadness of the outermost rectrices. Allen's have pin-like feathers, while on your bird they are fairly wide. Yes, and a more distinguishing feature on this bird is the emarginate (notched) second rectrix, indicating RUHU. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilpa Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, DLecy said: Yes, and a more distinguishing feature on this bird is the emarginate (notched) second rectrix, indicating RUHU. This? So you count/number tail feathers from the middle out, 1-5? Edited April 30, 2021 by neilpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLecy Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, neilpa said: This? So you count/number tail feathers from the middle out, 1-5? Bingo. Tail feathers are counted from the innermost outward, R1-R5 on hummingbirds. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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