sbruenjes Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I saw these birds back in December at a park in Northern New Jersey. I knew I had ring-billed, but I just noticed the duck in the middle, without the "ring". I'm not certain what that is.. any help would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birding Boy Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 The center Duck looks like a Lesser Scaup. You’re right about the rest, just FYI even though it doesn’t make sense, they’re called Ring-necked, not billed ? 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbruenjes Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 Oops, I was looking at the picture when I was writing the post, and blew the name... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, Birding Boy said: The center Duck looks like a Lesser Scaup. You’re right about the rest, just FYI even though it doesn’t make sense, they’re called Ring-necked, not billed ? I’m kinda thinking Scaup x Ringer hybrid. What say ye? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Seanbirds said: I’m kinda thinking Scaup x Ringer hybrid. What say ye? The gray part of the back is not very dark, and the bill pattern does not have the pale ring of Ring-necked - I think it’s just a regular Lesser Scaup 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, AlexHenry said: The gray part of the back is not very dark, and the bill pattern does not have the pale ring of Ring-necked - I think it’s just a regular Lesser Scaup Thanks. IDK, this just seems like the weirdest-looking Scaup I’ve ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Seanbirds said: I’m kinda thinking Scaup x Ringer hybrid. What say ye? That’s a thing!!?? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, IKLland said: That’s a thing!!?? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! YESSSSSSS!!!!!! https://ebird.org/media/catalog?taxonCode=x00682&q=Ring-necked Duck x scaup sp. (hybrid) - Aythya collaris x marila/affinis 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birding Boy Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Lump all Scaup and RNDU into one species ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 59 minutes ago, Birding Boy said: Lump all Scaup and RNDU into one species ? Nooo! Keep Ring-neckeds their own species, just rename them! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Seanbirds said: just rename them! Agreed! Edited June 11, 2021 by Kevin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just now, Kevin said: Agreed! RBDU! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Seanbirds said: RBDU! I thought we were going to name it Sort-of-Like-Scaup Duck. ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just now, Kevin said: I thought we were going to name it Sort-of-Like-Scaup Duck. ? Or maybe Ring-billed Scaup. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 hours ago, IKLland said: That’s a thing!!?? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Ducks; whadda ya gonna do? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 18 hours ago, Charlie Spencer said: Ducks; whadda ya gonna do? There going to do what they always have done, fly as soon as they have seen you. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulK Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 On 6/11/2021 at 8:57 AM, Kevin said: YESSSSSSS!!!!!! https://ebird.org/media/catalog?taxonCode=x00682&q=Ring-necked Duck x scaup sp. (hybrid) - Aythya collaris x marila/affinis There's probably a good explanation if this but if you add Female to the filter it brings up zero hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 8 hours ago, PaulK said: There's probably a good explanation if this but if you add Female to the filter it brings up zero hits. Hmm. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 8 hours ago, PaulK said: There's probably a good explanation if this but if you add Female to the filter it brings up zero hits. Probably because no one has applied the ‘Female’ tag to any photos of this hybrid. Do you get results if you filter for ‘Male’? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 8 hours ago, PaulK said: There's probably a good explanation if this but if you add Female to the filter it brings up zero hits. Maybe they are harder to find, than the male hybrids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Leukering Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 This looks fine for an immature male LESC. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulK Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Charlie Spencer said: Probably because no one has applied the ‘Female’ tag to any photos of this hybrid. Do you get results if you filter for ‘Male’? Yes, 54 hits (so about 1/6 of the total photos in the library). I think you're right that people haven't bothered tagging them, but also @Kevinis likely right that they're just harder to find. There are a couple in the first page of the search (e.g.) but they seem to be in the minority. (ETA: I'm not even sure how you'd tell that's a hybrid in the field in that linked example.) Edited June 14, 2021 by PaulK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinHood Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 8 hours ago, PaulK said: I'm not even sure how you'd tell that's a hybrid in the field in that linked example. Just taking a quick look at the photos of the males they all appear to have a partially or completely truncated shoulder spur (as well as other markings such as the taller head profile) making ID fairly straightforward. I suspect the females are much trickier due to the less distinct plumage and are missed most of the time (I didn't spot any photos of a lone female identified as a hybrid). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulK Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, RobinHood said: Just taking a quick look at the photos of the males they all appear to have a partially or completely truncated shoulder spur (as well as other markings such as the taller head profile) Ha, looking again it's the rightmost male in that example I chose that's the hybrid. Yeesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kansabirdguy Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 @Tony Leukering Is tufted duck a possibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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