smittyone@cox.net Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Is this even a Sandpiper at all? It was seen along with a bunch of Lesser Yellowlegs in NW Missouri back in April last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird-Boys Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Semipalmated Sandpiper, I believe. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smittyone@cox.net Posted July 7, 2021 Author Share Posted July 7, 2021 Thinking out loud, could this be a Sanderling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, smittyone@cox.net said: Thinking out loud, could this be a Sanderling? No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Leukering Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, smittyone@cox.net said: Thinking out loud, could this be a Sanderling? It has four toes on that elevated foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smittyone@cox.net Posted July 7, 2021 Author Share Posted July 7, 2021 I never even thought to count toes. Playing devil's advocate, if the toes were in mud/under water, how else could you tell? Because honestly, when I compare pics of Sanderlings and Semipalmated Sandpipers, I really can't see a difference. What other feature(s) should I look for? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, smittyone@cox.net said: I never even thought to count toes. Playing devil's advocate, if the toes were in mud/under water, how else could you tell? Because honestly, when I compare pics of Sanderlings and Semipalmated Sandpipers, I really can't see a difference. What other feature(s) should I look for? I found this: http://freidaybird.blogspot.com/2012/08/fri-d-semipalmated-sandpiper-vs.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Usually Sanderling's winter plumage is very pale, paler than most other shorebirds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdNrd Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, smittyone@cox.net said: Thinking out loud, could this be a Sanderling? Sanderling back, Semipalm in front. Edited July 7, 2021 by BirdNrd 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 3 hours ago, BirdNrd said: Sanderling back, Semipalm in front. So, a more distinctly defined collar on the SAND, more white on the neck, and lighter brown? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 34 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said: So, a more distinctly defined collar on the SAND, more white on the neck, and lighter brown? And bigger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 4 hours ago, smittyone@cox.net said: Is this even a Sandpiper at all? It was seen along with a bunch of Lesser Yellowlegs in NW Missouri back in April last year. Nice shot!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKbird Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 18 hours ago, smittyone@cox.net said: I never even thought to count toes. Playing devil's advocate, if the toes were in mud/under water, how else could you tell? Because honestly, when I compare pics of Sanderlings and Semipalmated Sandpipers, I really can't see a difference. What other feature(s) should I look for? Peeps and related species have lots of plumages and are notoriously difficult. I have found the two attached files useful, although they don't discuss the larger relatives much. p00853-p00876.pdf v40n4p40w1.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smittyone@cox.net Posted July 8, 2021 Author Share Posted July 8, 2021 Thanks so much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Leukering Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Before getting to the meat of this response, I point out that the depicted bird here is a male Semi, with a bill much shorter than that of Sanderling. If it had been a female, the bill-length would not have been as useful or, even, useful at all. Let's go back to plumage basics. The depicted bird is in alternate plumage. This plumage differs from the appearance of basic plumage in the same species by the more highly colored scapulars and wing coverts and -- particularly -- by the streaking on the chest. Here is a Sanderling in full alternate plumage. This plumage differs from the appearance of basic plumage in the same species by a LOT of stuff. However, note that no plumage of Sanderling involves streaking on the underparts. https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/347696551 https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/235649851 https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/332604571 https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/98780841 https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/156747161 https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/342297971 - This is probably about the closest that SAND comes to obvious streaking. https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/258205191 - Note the obvious black wrist, a feature that, while not always visible, is an absolute distinguishing feature of SAND. https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/262223411 - I threw this one in just because it's a cool photo! When trying to distinguish between similar or somewhat similar species, pay attention to how they differ, not how they're similar. Study primary projection, wingtip projection, precise patterns on individual feathers, etc. In other words, look at the bird; study the bird's parts, not just the bird as a whole. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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