Seanbirds Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Hi everybody, I've got a couple of Dowitchers from last spring that I don't have confident ID's on. More to come. Quivira National Wildlife Refuge, May 2, 2020. #1. #2. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1. Short-billed? 2. Long-billed? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted July 14, 2021 Author Share Posted July 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Quiscalus quiscula said: 1. Short-billed? 2. Long-billed? Kinda what I was thinking. Let’s see what the experts say. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Just now, Seanbirds said: Kinda what I was thinking. Let’s see what the experts say. Yeah, definitely. Don't suppose you have any sound recordings? I'm not much of a sound birder, but it might help others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted July 14, 2021 Author Share Posted July 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Quiscalus quiscula said: Yeah, definitely. Don't suppose you have any sound recordings? I'm not much of a sound birder, but it might help others. Sadly, no. I don’t think these two were calling much, and I really didn’t do any audio recording back then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peromyscus Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Quiscalus quiscula said: 1. Short-billed? 2. Long-billed? Works for me 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted July 15, 2021 Author Share Posted July 15, 2021 @Tony Leukering your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 They’re probably Long-billed, but honestly identifying adult dowitchers from pictures is not super reliable, and it is just so easy to identify them by sound. And the juveniles are much easier 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted July 15, 2021 Author Share Posted July 15, 2021 7 hours ago, AlexHenry said: They’re probably Long-billed, but honestly identifying adult dowitchers from pictures is not super reliable, and it is just so easy to identify them by sound. And the juveniles are much easier So are you saying that definitive ID’s on these aren’t possible? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLecy Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Based on the pattern of the lower scaps, I would almost say the opposite. 1. LBDO 2. SBDO However, many birds are best left as LBDO/SBDO unless you hear them call or get underwing shots due to how individual variation and feather wear present significant ID challenges. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted July 15, 2021 Author Share Posted July 15, 2021 3 hours ago, DLecy said: 1. LBDO 2. SBDO After doing some Intensive research, this makes sense to me. Thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted July 15, 2021 Author Share Posted July 15, 2021 The only thing that's getting me about bird 1 Is the fact that the bill starts to get kinda droopy (for a Dowitcher) near the end. Isn't that a feature more associated with Short-billed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLecy Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, Seanbirds said: The only thing that's getting me about bird 1 Is the fact that the bill starts to get kinda droopy (for a Dowitcher) near the end. Isn't that a feature more associated with Short-billed? That’s a fairly problematic field mark. Keep in mind that their bills, like so many other shorebirds, are flexible and can appear differently depending on what the bird is doing. Just take a look through the photos and you will see a lot of variation. https://ebird.org/media/catalog?taxonCode=lobdow&mediaType=p&sort=rating_rank_desc&q=Long-billed Dowitcher - Limnodromus scolopaceus 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted July 15, 2021 Author Share Posted July 15, 2021 41 minutes ago, DLecy said: That’s a fairly problematic field mark. Keep in mind that their bills, like so many other shorebirds, are flexible and can appear differently depending on what the bird is doing. Just take a look through the photos and you will see a lot of variation. https://ebird.org/media/catalog?taxonCode=lobdow&mediaType=p&sort=rating_rank_desc&q=Long-billed Dowitcher - Limnodromus scolopaceus Right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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