UnknownVT Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 I actually know a bird (but she turned me down.... Brit humour) Took these only some minutes ago - So Atlanta, GA, USA Jul/15/2021 Book and references say Northern Cardinal (also I know it's a male adult) So my clueless questions are: (1) colloquially heard it called "Red Cardinal" - so that's what I say to neighbors.... is this likely to be confusing to you birders - or do you know I meant Northern Cardinal (2) my copy of Nat Geo Field Guide (6 ed) appears to only have one entry for Cardinal - are there other types in North America? .. don't need glue yet - although I've been told to pull myself together (when I told my doctor thought I may be a pair of curtains....) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) We'll know what you mean. By any chance, is you're field guide strictly Eastern US? The Pyrrhuloxia of the southwest is a cardinal species. https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Pyrrhuloxia There's at least one other cardinal in South America. My uncle thought he was a chicken. We didn't try to have him cured until after he stopped laying. Edited July 15, 2021 by Charlie Spencer 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownVT Posted July 15, 2021 Author Share Posted July 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said: We'll know what you mean. By any chance, is you're field guide strictly Eastern US? The Pyrrhuloxia of the southwest is a cardinal species. https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Pyrrhuloxia Thanks. The one I have: and indeed Pyrrhuloxia is in there. and I thought I had problems smelling my worms... that spelling looks nothing like "Cardinal"! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, UnknownVT said: that spelling looks nothing like "Cardinal"! Check the Latin names. Plenty of birds have common names that don't indicate their families. Juncos and towhees are in the sparrow family. Orioles are a subset of blackbirds. Heron, bitterns, and egrets are all related. And some common names are confusing. Water thrushes aren't thrushes, they're warblers. Not everything that paddles on the surface of the water is a duck. Edited July 15, 2021 by Charlie Spencer 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownVT Posted July 15, 2021 Author Share Posted July 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said: My uncle thought he was a chicken. We didn't try to have him cured until after he stopped laying. Now I know why you got into birding... you just missed the eggs 🤪 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownVT Posted July 15, 2021 Author Share Posted July 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said: Check the Latin names. Plenty of birds have common names that don't indicate their families. Juncos and towhees are in the sparrow family. Orioles are a subset of blackbirds. Heron, bitterns, and egrets are all related. And some common names are confusing. Water thrushes aren't thrushes, they're warblers. Not everything that paddles on the surface of the water is a duck. You can't fool me - everyone knows Orioles are cookies! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, UnknownVT said: You can't fool me - everyone knows Orioles are cookies! And I was just about to compliment your photos ... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownVT Posted July 15, 2021 Author Share Posted July 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Charlie Spencer said: And I was just about to compliment your photos ... Oh.. I got it now... those cookies are actually birds! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Leukering Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Charlie Spencer said: There's at least one other cardinal in South America. There are seven species of New World cardinals. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownVT Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Tony Leukering said: There are seven species of New World cardinals. I may clueless - but try not to be lame: Cardinalidae family - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_(bird) Nat Geo Field guide lists 18 in the family - only the Northern is actually called a "Cardinal" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Brain Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 3 hours ago, UnknownVT said: Book and references say Northern Cardinal (also I know it's a male adult) So my clueless questions are: (1) colloquially heard it called "Red Cardinal" - so that's what I say to neighbors.... is this likely to be confusing to you birders - or do you know I meant Northern Cardinal When I was growing up in the South (N Ala and N Fla) we just called them Red Birds. Everyone there knew what we meant. Although we were probably unknowingly calling Scarlet and Summer Tanagers the same thing.....😕 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownVT Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Bird Brain said: When I was growing up in the South (N Ala and N Fla) we just called them Red Birds. Everyone there knew what we meant. Although we were probably unknowingly calling Scarlet and Summer Tanagers the same thing.....😕 You guys are very kind. Thank you for humoring me. I missed one that was actually called Cardinal: Vermilion cardinal - looking at its pic I would have mistakenly thought it was a red cockadoo... OK, clueless and lame. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Leukering Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, UnknownVT said: I may clueless - but try not to be lame: Cardinalidae family - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_(bird) Nat Geo Field guide lists 18 in the family - only the Northern is actually called a "Cardinal" There’s a LOT more to the New World than just the US and Canada. As example, South America accounts for over half the >10K of the world’s bird species. Edited July 16, 2021 by Tony Leukering addition 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownVT Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Tony Leukering said: There’s a LOT more to the New World than just the US and Canada. As example, South America accounts for over half the >10K of the world’s bird species. Bow to your much better knowledge. I mentioned the Nat Geo Field Guide - because it's the (only) book I have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_(bird) is not restricted to North America - I don't know if it is comprehensive or not - but it has been around long enough to have had peer reviews Edited July 16, 2021 by UnknownVT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 17 hours ago, UnknownVT said: I actually know a bird (but she turned me down.... Brit humour) Took these only some minutes ago - So Atlanta, GA, USA Jul/15/2021 Book and references say Northern Cardinal (also I know it's a male adult) So my clueless questions are: (1) colloquially heard it called "Red Cardinal" - so that's what I say to neighbors.... is this likely to be confusing to you birders - or do you know I meant Northern Cardinal (2) my copy of Nat Geo Field Guide (6 ed) appears to only have one entry for Cardinal - are there other types in North America? .. don't need glue yet - although I've been told to pull myself together (when I told my doctor thought I may be a pair of curtains....) Question one: 1. not what it’s called. You tell those neighbors to buy a camera and post for themselves! 😬 2. As @Charlie Spencer pointed out, he’s correct. 13 hours ago, UnknownVT said: Bow to your much better knowledge. I mentioned the Nat Geo Field Guide - because it's the (only) book I have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_(bird) is not restricted to North America - I don't know if it is comprehensive or not - but it has been around long enough to have had peer reviews Tony( @Tony Leukering), is an ornithologist, so he’s one of our best experts on here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownVT Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, IKLland said: Question one: 1. not what it’s called. You tell those neighbors to buy a camera and post for themselves! 😬 2. As @Charlie Spencer pointed out, he’s correct. Tony( @Tony Leukering), is an ornithologist, so he’s one of our best experts on here. Thanks for the information. I am truly impressed with Tony Leukering's knowledge/credentials - was not meaning to challenge... for me, as a clueless - Wikipedia is just a good resource, I learn a lot from them and quickly - eg: my Sibley's Bird Basics book is not here yet.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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