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I actually know a bird (but she turned me down.... Brit humour)

Took these only some minutes ago -

So Atlanta, GA, USA

Jul/15/2021

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Book and references say Northern Cardinal (also I know it's a male adult)

So my clueless questions are:

(1) colloquially heard it called "Red Cardinal" - so that's what I say to neighbors....

is this likely to be confusing to you birders - or do you know I meant Northern Cardinal

(2) my copy of Nat Geo Field Guide (6 ed) appears to only have one entry for Cardinal - are there other types in North America?

.. don't need glue yet - although I've been told to pull myself together

(when I told my doctor thought I may be a pair of curtains....)

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We'll know what you mean.

By any chance, is you're field guide strictly Eastern US?  The Pyrrhuloxia of the southwest is a cardinal species.

https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Pyrrhuloxia

There's at least one other cardinal in South America. 

My uncle thought he was a chicken.  We didn't try to have him cured until after he stopped laying.

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2 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said:

We'll know what you mean.

By any chance, is you're field guide strictly Eastern US?  The Pyrrhuloxia of the southwest is a cardinal species.

https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Pyrrhuloxia

Thanks.  The one I have:

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and indeed Pyrrhuloxia  is in there.

and I thought I had problems smelling my worms... that spelling looks nothing like "Cardinal"!

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7 minutes ago, UnknownVT said:

that spelling looks nothing like "Cardinal"!

Check the Latin names.

Plenty of birds have common names that don't indicate their families.  Juncos and towhees are in the sparrow family. Orioles are a subset of blackbirds.  Heron, bitterns, and egrets are all related.

And some common names are confusing.  Water thrushes aren't thrushes, they're warblers.  Not everything that paddles on the surface of the water is a duck.

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8 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said:

Check the Latin names.

Plenty of birds have common names that don't indicate their families.  Juncos and towhees are in the sparrow family. Orioles are a subset of blackbirds.  Heron, bitterns, and egrets are all related.

And some common names are confusing.  Water thrushes aren't thrushes, they're warblers.  Not everything that paddles on the surface of the water is a duck.

You can't fool me - everyone knows Orioles are cookies!

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3 hours ago, UnknownVT said:

 

 

 

 

Book and references say Northern Cardinal (also I know it's a male adult)

So my clueless questions are:

(1) colloquially heard it called "Red Cardinal" - so that's what I say to neighbors....

is this likely to be confusing to you birders - or do you know I meant Northern Cardinal

 

When I was growing up in the South (N Ala and N Fla) we just called them Red Birds. Everyone there knew what we meant. Although we were probably unknowingly calling Scarlet and Summer Tanagers the same thing.....😕

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1 minute ago, Bird Brain said:

When I was growing up in the South (N Ala and N Fla) we just called them Red Birds. Everyone there knew what we meant. Although we were probably unknowingly calling Scarlet and Summer Tanagers the same thing.....😕

You guys are very kind.  Thank you for humoring me.

I missed one that was actually called Cardinal:  Vermilion cardinal   - looking at its pic I would have mistakenly thought it was a red cockadoo...

OK, clueless and lame.

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1 hour ago, UnknownVT said:

I may clueless - but try not to be lame:

Cardinalidae family -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_(bird)

Nat Geo Field guide lists 18 in the family - only the Northern is actually called a "Cardinal"

There’s a LOT more to the New World than just the US and Canada. As example, South America accounts for over half the  >10K of the world’s bird species.

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13 minutes ago, Tony Leukering said:

There’s a LOT more to the New World than just the US and Canada. As example, South America accounts for over half the  >10K of the world’s bird species.

Bow to your much better knowledge.

I mentioned the Nat Geo Field Guide - because it's the (only) book I have

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_(bird)

is not restricted to North America - I don't know if it is comprehensive or not -

but it has been around long enough to have had peer reviews

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17 hours ago, UnknownVT said:

I actually know a bird (but she turned me down.... Brit humour)

Took these only some minutes ago -

So Atlanta, GA, USA

Jul/15/2021

redCardinal_P1060470_210715.thumb.JPG.f0bbdaa7037b22a5e27a0f248f1817e7.JPG

redCardinal_P1060453_210715.thumb.JPG.04e69f632ff1c6d9ad39752823f3e989.JPG

redCardinal_P1060410_210715.thumb.JPG.f6c01f3f384b947e26e160165c1d9058.JPG

Book and references say Northern Cardinal (also I know it's a male adult)

So my clueless questions are:

(1) colloquially heard it called "Red Cardinal" - so that's what I say to neighbors....

is this likely to be confusing to you birders - or do you know I meant Northern Cardinal

(2) my copy of Nat Geo Field Guide (6 ed) appears to only have one entry for Cardinal - are there other types in North America?

.. don't need glue yet - although I've been told to pull myself together

(when I told my doctor thought I may be a pair of curtains....)

Question one:

 

 

 

1. not what it’s called. You tell those neighbors to buy a camera and post for themselves! 😬

2. As @Charlie Spencer pointed out, he’s correct. 

13 hours ago, UnknownVT said:

Bow to your much better knowledge.

I mentioned the Nat Geo Field Guide - because it's the (only) book I have

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_(bird)

is not restricted to North America - I don't know if it is comprehensive or not -

but it has been around long enough to have had peer reviews

Tony( @Tony Leukering), is an ornithologist, so he’s one of our best experts on here. 

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10 minutes ago, IKLland said:

Question one:

1. not what it’s called. You tell those neighbors to buy a camera and post for themselves! 😬

2. As @Charlie Spencer pointed out, he’s correct. 

Tony( @Tony Leukering), is an ornithologist, so he’s one of our best experts on here. 

Thanks for the information.

I am truly impressed with Tony Leukering's knowledge/credentials - was not meaning to challenge...

for me, as a clueless - Wikipedia is just a good resource, I learn a lot from them and quickly - eg: my Sibley's Bird Basics book is not here yet....

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