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I saw these birds earlier this week at Ripariarn Preserve in Phoenix Arizona. I'm from NJ, so these birds are all new to me. Based on what I see on E-bird, I'm thinking these might be a great-tailed grackle and a curve-billed thrasher.. maybe.. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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