Help with sparrows

[sbruenjes]

I saw these birds at a local nature preserve in Northern New Jersey. The seemed very reddish in flight, but these pics look like house sparrows.. any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Hasan]

Chipping Sparrow and House Sparrows

[kansabirdguy]

10 minutes ago, Hasan said:

Chipping Sparrow and House Sparrows

agreed

[Kevin]

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[Quiscalus quiscula]

The Chipping Sparrow gave me some Field vibes, but probably just because of the weird angle.

[kansabirdguy]

1 minute ago, Quiscalus quiscula said:

The Chipping Sparrow gave me some Field vibes, but probably just because of the weird angle.

agreed. solid pink bill. field sparrow for me.

[Quiscalus quiscula]

Just now, kansabirdguy said:

agreed. solid pink bill. field sparrow for me.

Though it's hard to confirm from the blurry head. Some characteristics point to Chipping, others to Field.

[Liam]

I think it's the angle of the head. The supercilium looks well-defined and there appears to be dark on the lores. Shorter tail favors Chipping too (with the caveat being this is August...).

[Kevin]

Never mind.

[Quiscalus quiscula]

1 minute ago, Liam said:

I think it's the angle of the head. The supercilium looks well-defined and there appears to be dark on the lores. Shorter tail favors Chipping too (with the caveat being this is August...).

Yes, the angle definitely threw me off.

[The Bird Nuts]

2 hours ago, Hasan said:

Chipping Sparrow and House Sparrows

I also agree.

[hbvol50]

4 hours ago, kansabirdguy said:

agreed. solid pink bill. field sparrow for me.

field

[The Bird Nuts]

26 minutes ago, hbvol50 said:

field

Hmm, yep...looking at it again, I now agree with Field Sparrow for #1.

[lonestranger]

For what it's worth, my first impression was Field Sparrow for the first bird. While I can't articulate why, chipping sparrow just doesn't feel right.

Edited August 26, 2021 by lonestranger
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[Peromyscus]

My gut reaction for the first bird is Field. The other two are House.

[Birding Boy]

I’m with team Chipping for #1

[Peromyscus]

Ok now I'm leaning toward Chipping for #1

[The Bird Nuts]

I'm thinking the eyeline is too light brown for a Chipping and the white eyering is quite prominent.

[Peromyscus]

1 minute ago, The Bird Nuts said:

I'm thinking the eyeline is too light brown for a Chipping and the white eyering is quite prominent.

And now I'm leaning back to Field

eta: the outfield ...

Edited August 27, 2021 by Peromyscus

[Kevin]

I am revising my agreement with chipping for the first bird.

Field/Chipping Sparrow.

[Birding Boy]

@sbruenjes Any more pics of the first bird?

[Quiscalus quiscula]

For Field:

Crown looks too bright rufous for chipping, and eyering seems bold and white. The bill also seems rather stout and pink.

For Chipping:

Eyeline seems rather prominent, straight, and brownish. Some Chippings, especially immatures, can have more extensive pink on the bill. Chipping is also more common.

Edited August 27, 2021 by Quiscalus quiscula
clarification

[Quiscalus quiscula]

Just now, Quiscalus quiscula said:

For Field:

Crown looks too bright rufous for chipping, and eyering seems bold and white. The bill also seems rather stout and pink.

For Chipping:

Eyeline seems rather prominent, straight, and brownish. Some Chippings, especially immatures, can have more extensively pink. Chipping is also more common.

This means I'm wavering...

[Quiscalus quiscula]

Any other opinions? @Seanbirds @TKbird @Charlie Spencer

[sbruenjes]

Wow... unfortunately I don't have another pic.. The only things I can say is the bird had a very reddish tone in flight and chipping sparrows are sort of common at this park, Hilltop Reservation in Verona.