Quiscalus quiscula Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I can't say for sure whether this is a Field or Chipping, however Field would have a more reddish tone in flight because of the extensive on its shoulders and back. But, Chipping can look pretty reddish as well, depending on the lighting. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Yes, I'm being 'that guy' but, chipping sparrow x field hybrid? https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/231748211?_gl=1*cyk7qh*_ga*MjAwNjA1Njc1NC4xNjMwMDIwMjI4*_ga_QR4NVXZ8BM*MTYzMDAyOTE2Mi4zLjEuMTYzMDAyOTkzMy4zOQ..#_ga=2.172633315.1909266991.1630020228-2006056754.1630020228 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 No, this is not a hybrid. It is definitely, for sure, a Chipping Sparrow- the facial pattern of Field gives a very blank-faced sort of look. There is no reason to confuse OP. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Hasan said: No, this is not a hybrid. It is definitely, for sure, a Chipping Sparrow- the facial pattern of Field gives a very blank-faced sort of look. There is no reason to confuse OP. Yeah, I knew a hybrid was very out there. Well, I listed the Chipping characteristics and the Field characteristics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKbird Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I'm leery about disagreeing with @Hasan, but in the absence of other opinions I would have pegged this as a FISP. My main observations are similar to @The Bird Nuts: 1) Adult CHSP eyelines are reliably very dark. 2) CHSPs here in the northeast US have minimal eye rings. 3) FISP is a particularly variable sp., and the facial pattern of this birds looks within the range of variation to me. 4) Giss is FISP for me. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 10 hours ago, Quiscalus quiscula said: Any other opinions? @Seanbirds @TKbird @Charlie Spencer Don’t drag me into this! ? 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I’m with team field. There is evidence pointing towards Rufous Adult Field Sparrow as well as young Chhcippibg with the head, so I’m solely looking at what else we can see. Using Sibley: 1. The second wing at, which was can see, is buffy, where even in a juvie chipping we would see some white. 2. The back stripes are really pinkish, again pointing to field. My gut reaction was field, and I’m still thinking it’s a field. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Where is @Tony Leukering when you need him? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKbird Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Kevin said: Where is @Tony Leukering when you need him? But seriously, he hasn't posted in 42 days! Hope he's all right. Edit: He's still reporting on eBird, so that's a good sign! Edited August 27, 2021 by TKbird 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 38 minutes ago, TKbird said: But seriously, he hasn't posted in 42 days! Hope he's all right. Edit: He's still reporting on eBird, so that's a good sign! I am sure he is just busy. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 47 minutes ago, TKbird said: But seriously, he hasn't posted in 42 days! Hope he's all right. Edit: He's still reporting on eBird, so that's a good sign! Yeah, and he put out the August ABA photo quiz, which I love. I actually got this one right! https://www.aba.org/august-2021-photo-quiz/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Seanbirds said: Don’t drag me into this! ? Sorry! You can skip this one if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird-Boys Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Chipping for sure 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed hogg Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I agree that this is a Chipping Sparrow. Macaulay Library ML125220981 Macaulay Library ML141543471 Macaulay Library ML93067171 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, Ed hogg said: I agree that this is a Chipping Sparrow. Macaulay Library ML125220981 Macaulay Library ML141543471 Macaulay Library ML93067171 The eyelines are quite dark on all three of those birds. And the one with the most prominent eyering is immature and it has a dark streaked crown. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I'm of the opinion that it's a Field Sparrow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peromyscus Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 8 hours ago, Quiscalus quiscula said: Yeah, and he put out the August ABA photo quiz, which I love. I actually got this one right! https://www.aba.org/august-2021-photo-quiz/ The quiz bird is a Cliff Swallow? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Just now, Peromyscus said: The quiz bird is a Cliff Swallow? No, but really close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Just now, Peromyscus said: The quiz bird is a Cliff Swallow? Cave. Cliff Swallows don’t have the buffy throat. (Only reason I know is that I guessed Cliff too ?) 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Just now, Avery said: Cave. Cliff Swallows don’t have the buffy throat. (Only reason I know is that I guessed Cliff too ?) Really? I'm happy that I got mine on the first try. One of the few times on these quizzes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Just now, Quiscalus quiscula said: Really? I'm happy that I got mine on the first try. One of the few times on these quizzes. I always forget to think about Cave Swallows 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Avery said: I always forget to think about Cave Swallows I did it from a guide. I guess that's sorta cheating... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peromyscus Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I knew I should have spent more than two seconds looking at that swallow photo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Peromyscus said: I knew I should have spent more than two seconds looking at that swallow photo Yeah, that quiz is hard! My first impression was Dunlin! ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I've seen a nest being visited by both a Cliff and Cave swallow. Pretty sure those kiddos in the nest were hybrids. It was a vagrant Cave Swallow in Georgia that didn't have any other Caves to pair with. On a related note, Cave Swallow populations in Texas increased 898% between 1957 and 1999, thanks to the advent of culverts and other DOT infrastructure. Who's to say how much that statistic has increased since 1999, but the population has been steadily increasing. If they maintain the same rate as was estimated in the original paper (Kosciuch et. al 2006) then the population should be at a 1,125% increase in Texas between 1957-2021. Also note that that figure doesn't include Florida populations, which are also expanding. I wonder what the figures look like for Roseate Spoonbill, Black-bellied Whistling-Duck, Limpkin, etc. It's nice to see species expanding. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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