Clip Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 HELP- I think this one looks very good for Willow but they are rare in Florida. Which means it is probably an Acadian but it just seems to have too much buffy in the wing bars, smugging in the chest... What flycatcher do I have? Taken yesterday in Levy County I think. We were in couple counties yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Without reading what you said my first impression was Acadian. Wait for a southerner though. @Liam @meghann @HamRHead @Charlie Spencer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamRHead Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just now, Seanbirds said: Without reading what you said my first impression was Acadian. Wait for a southerner though. @Liam @meghann @HamRHead @Charlie Spencer Haha, I would be the wrong person to ask; I specialize in turning Acadian into anything but. But for those who can handle the truth...Psst...it looks looks spot on for Acadian, tree branch in the way and all. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamRHead Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Disclaimer: I am not good at flycatchers, but if it was something other than Acadian, I think we would need clearer shots to know for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 @Clip How high up was it? Most Empids won’t go too far from the understory, but Acadians like the treetops for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clip Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, HamRHead said: it looks looks spot on for Acadian, tree branch in the way and all. I only used Sibley's to help id this bird but with that said it looked nothing like Acadian to me and was way darker than the other Acadians on saw on the same day. Perhaps I used the wrong source material. Need to have my eyes examined... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clip Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Seanbirds said: @Clip How high up was it? Most Empids won’t go too far from the understory, but Acadians like the treetops for some reason. Not high at all. Maybe 7 feet above eye level. The Acadians I saw the same day were all very high say 20 feet or more above eye level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Clip said: I only used Sibley's to help id this bird but with that said it looked nothing like Acadian to me and was way darker than the other Acadians on saw on the same day. Perhaps I used the wrong source material. Need to have my eyes examined... 1 minute ago, Clip said: Not high at all. Maybe 7 feet above eye level. The Acadians I saw the same day were all very high say 20 feet or more above eye level. Ah, this definitely throws Acadian into question then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clip Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Seanbirds said: Ah, this definitely throws Acadian into question then. I really have no dog in this one either. If it is a Willow it is Florida bird. If it is an Acadian it is a photo lifer. So I'm happy either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Clip said: I really have no dog in this one either. If it is a Willow it is Florida bird. If it is an Acadian it is a photo lifer. So I'm happy either way. I’d like to say Willow but it’s pretty rare so without better photos I’m not sure you’ll be able to get it confirmed on eBird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamRHead Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Here is my most recent Acadian that I tried to turn in to something other. It was perched about 10 feet off the ground, flicking it's tail. Your bird does look much darker. Although I have been surprised in my own photos how much lighting/exposure can vary from one shot to the next, making the same bird look quite different. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meghann Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I'd say position in trees is not a good reason to discount Acadian. I've seen plenty down low here in Georgia. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 This is an Acadian Flycatcher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Don't look at me. What I thought would be my lifer "Acadian" (Charleston Co, SC, Sept. '19) was ID'ed by the gang here as Yellow-bellied. The reviewer thought it was best reported as 'sp.'. I've been wanting to revisit this one, so... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clip Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Hasan said: This is an Acadian Flycatcher. Without some reasoning behind the opinion I still lean Willow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clip Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 5 hours ago, HamRHead said: Here is my most recent Acadian that I tried to turn in to something other. It was perched about 10 feet off the ground, flicking it's tail. Your bird does look much darker. Although I have been surprised in my own photos how much lighting/exposure can vary from one shot to the next, making the same bird look quite different. This is what the other Acadian's I saw yesterday looked like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) Traill's is grayish rather than yellow green as your bird is, particularly in the first photo. Your bird appears to have a prominent eyering, and that bill is very large. Structure also feels off to me for Traill's. Edited September 20, 2021 by Hasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 50 minutes ago, Hasan said: Traill's is grayish rather than yellow green as your bird is, particularly in the first photo. Your bird appears to have a prominent eyering, and that bill is very large. Structure also feels off to me for Traill's. What rules out Yellow-bellied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clip Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Hasan said: Traill's is grayish rather than yellow green as your bird is, particularly in the first photo. Your bird appears to have a prominent eyering, and that bill is very large. Structure also feels off to me for Traill's. To my eyes my bird is more brown than anything including the wing bars. The primary projections look the right length for of short to medium for Willow's. The eye ring what you can see of it is anything but prominent more thin dirty white than white. And the smudging on the upper chest is Willow. Certainly doesn't fit for Acadian. I don't think there is a difference in bill size between the two species but if there is Sibley's has it looking larger on the Willow. I still think Willow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasan Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Avery said: What rules out Yellow-bellied? The large bill and structure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clip Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 Though I remain unconvinced I will be changing it in ebird to Acadian. My bird is too dark and too big and bulky for Acadian. Flycatchers🥴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clip Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 I guess I should have added initially that this bird was observed hanging over a natural spring along the Suwanne River that was murkier and higher than usual because of heavy rain both local and up river. The immediate area was all cypress trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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