floraphile Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 I am going to observe bird-banding for the first time. https://www.gulfshores.com/events-calendar/community-events/fort-morgan-bird-banding/ I found the banding protocol on ebird: https://support.ebird.org/en/support/solutions/articles/48000950859-guide-to-ebird-protocols I won't be banding, but I do want to count the birds I see while I am there. Would I do my own lists following the Banding Protocol or do I have one of the banders share their list of banded birds with me and I edit to reflect what I personally saw? @Connor Cochrane@Liam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 @Avery 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) Usually the banders will do a checklist just for the birds that were caught and banded, and they will sometimes keep a running list for the birds they see/hear in the background. You should ask them if they are doing a banding checklist, as eBird has special type of checklist for that, and they'll probably share it with you if you want. Have fun! It's always cool to see the birds in hand. Edited October 4, 2021 by Avery 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) Usually people don't count the birds caught at banding stations on their life lists, right? Edited October 4, 2021 by The Bird Nuts 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestranger Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 12 hours ago, floraphile said: I won't be banding, but I do want to count the birds I see while I am there. 11 hours ago, The Bird Nuts said: Usually people don't count the birds caught at banding stations on their life lists, right? My take on the ABA rules was that birds caught in the nets wouldn't be countable, but after they were released and shaken off the effects of being captured, they would once again become countable. You can't count the birds immediately after release, but once they're back to normal behaviour you can count them. It may not be that simple, but that was my take on it. I don't count birds so my spin on this doesn't really matter, but if I saw bird X at a banding station and was pretty sure that I would never get the chance to see/count that species ever again, if it was possible I think I'd make the effort to get that bird on my list, even if it meant trying to track it for a few minutes after being released until I was comfortable that the bird was no longer under the influence of being confined. Admittedly, MY comfort level in making a call in that situation might not measure up to someone else's comfort level in the same situation. That same comfort level might also be influenced by the value of the bird wanted for the list, too. Having said all that, I wonder if the best approach might be to focus on the birds before they get caught in the nets. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Here's how I used to submit eBird checklists when I was banding at Splinter Hill Bog: I'd start my daily checklist of all birds seen and heard, not including the birds we banded: https://ebird.org/checklist/S60340757 Then, I'd start my banding checklist, which included only the birds we banded: https://ebird.org/checklist/S60340635 Note that the latter checklist is marked "incomplete" because it does not include all birds heard and seen. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, lonestranger said: My take on the ABA rules was that birds caught in the nets wouldn't be countable, but after they were released and shaken off the effects of being captured, they would once again become countable. You can't count the birds immediately after release, but once they're back to normal behaviour you can count them. It may not be that simple, but that was my take on it. I don't count birds so my spin on this doesn't really matter, but if I saw bird X at a banding station and was pretty sure that I would never get the chance to see/count that species ever again, if it was possible I think I'd make the effort to get that bird on my list, even if it meant trying to track it for a few minutes after being released until I was comfortable that the bird was no longer under the influence of being confined. Admittedly, MY comfort level in making a call in that situation might not measure up to someone else's comfort level in the same situation. That same comfort level might also be influenced by the value of the bird wanted for the list, too. Having said all that, I wonder if the best approach might be to focus on the birds before they get caught in the nets. Thank you for the clarification and advice, @lonestranger. I agree with what you've said. I will not count them when confined or restrained in any way. The matter is moot for today, as heavy rains forced cancellation. 😞 I look forward to when I can attend a banding and see the little fellows so close and hopefully take a few pics. I do see that some banders include the netted birds on their daily ebird list accompanied by photos of literal bird-in-hand, and obviously, not free. Edited October 4, 2021 by floraphile typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I'm glad that @floraphile started this topic, since I also might might might be going to my first bird banding in a couple of weeks. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 10/9/2021 at 3:23 PM, Quiscalus quiscula said: I'm glad that @floraphile started this topic, since I also might might might be going to my first bird banding in a couple of weeks. Would it happen to be for Saw-whets? Because that's going on right now! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 13 hours ago, Avery said: Would it happen to be for Saw-whets? Because that's going on right now! No, it's at a local preserve, Albany Pine Bush. They're doing some netting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meghann Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 10/9/2021 at 4:23 PM, Quiscalus quiscula said: I'm glad that @floraphile started this topic, since I also might might might be going to my first bird banding in a couple of weeks. I hope you get to go! I just did my first two days this past weekend and had a BLAST. Currently trying to set up doing a lot more! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiscalus quiscula Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, meghann said: I hope you get to go! I just did my first two days this past weekend and had a BLAST. Currently trying to set up doing a lot more! Yeah, I hope so too! I'd be going with a naturalist/ birder? (mostly a plant person but knows quite a bit about birds as well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meghann Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Quiscalus quiscula said: Yeah, I hope so too! I'd be going with a naturalist/ birder? (mostly a plant person but knows quite a bit about birds as well). That's my hand holding him! 😁 https://www.dropbox.com/s/6pm6njetsz62vvk/20211011_084419.mp4?dl=0 By the end of the two days, I was doing multiple unsupervised net extractions, and even helping new people hold the birds. I'm hooked! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 12:17 PM, meghann said: That's my hand holding him! 😁 https://www.dropbox.com/s/6pm6njetsz62vvk/20211011_084419.mp4?dl=0 By the end of the two days, I was doing multiple unsupervised net extractions, and even helping new people hold the birds. I'm hooked! I can't see the pic.....😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meghann Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Kevin said: I can't see the pic.....😢 Hmm, that's weird. I have it set to be viewable by anyone with the link. I transported it to Youtube, just for you: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 56 minutes ago, meghann said: Hmm, that's weird. I have it set to be viewable by anyone with the link. I transported it to Youtube, just for you: Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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