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19 hours ago, Connor Cochrane said:

Oriental Turtle Dove in Palo Alto California. I think I’m going to make the   drive tomorrow if people suspect it’s wild. 

It popped up on the Facebook page with the notes that: "Seen today from public roads: Greer x Maddox Dr., California’s third record. Appears to be the migratory ssp. orientalis based on gray tail tip, and dark breast among other field marks."

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3 minutes ago, meghann said:

It popped up on the Facebook page with the notes that: "Seen today from public roads: Greer x Maddox Dr., California’s third record. Appears to be the migratory ssp. orientalis based on gray tail tip, and dark breast among other field marks."

Yeah. I did 30 minutes of research to find the hidden location last night and found it, but it was publicized today. There's going to be tons of people there when I'm going to look for it this afternoon.

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On 2/3/2022 at 3:53 PM, Connor Cochrane said:

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Refound the turtle dove

Went for it yesterday. Missed it in the morning by 20 minutes. Then it was refound in the afternoon and missed by less than a tenth of a mile. Also missed most of our other target birds as well.

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Just now, IKLland said:

How do you tell the difference?

From the research I _just_ did, size would be the main difference as Whoopers are roughly the same size as Trumpeters. I think they also have even more yellow on the bill than a Bewick's. Hard to tell in the checklist photos but that bird doesn't look any smaller than the nearby Trumpeters.

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7 minutes ago, neilpa said:

From the research I _just_ did, size would be the main difference as Whoopers are roughly the same size as Trumpeters. I think they also have even more yellow on the bill than a Bewick's. Hard to tell in the checklist photos but that bird doesn't look any smaller than the nearby Trumpeters.

I’m now in agreement with Whooper. 

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2 minutes ago, neilpa said:

From the research I _just_ did, size would be the main difference as Whoopers are roughly the same size as Trumpeters. I think they also have even more yellow on the bill than a Bewick's. Hard to tell in the checklist photos but that bird doesn't look any smaller than the nearby Trumpeters.

Also, according to the Svensson Birds of Europe guide & the 7th edition National Geographic guide, the yellow on a Whooper Swan bill extends to below/beyond the nostril, and extends to a point.

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4 minutes ago, meghann said:

Now I sit and wait to see the argument about this bird's provenance on the Facebook page. Happens every time, which is part of why I have shied away from posting birds of questionable origin.

Interesting, I didn't realize this could be of "questionable origin". I did some more digging and there's one accepted state record from 2006/7 from almost the exact same location (which also showed up in a couple of neighboring counties).

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Looks like a very interesting/strong candidate. Would love to see additional pictures of it. Provenance is important as Whooper Swans are sometimes kept in captivity. A quick Google search shows a few places in the US where you can buy one. One website has a starting price of $11,250.

Here is a picture of a confirmed Whooper amongst Tundra Swans, where the size is very apparent.

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/83645201

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