floraphile Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 11 Nov 2021; Baldwin co. AL; bayside public park; heavily wooded trails; cypress swamps; feeding very high in a tall pine Help me out with field marks when you can't see the face nor the coloration. Edited November 11, 2021 by floraphile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor L. Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Unless a Pygmy decided to stray really far from home, Brown-headed is your solution. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meghann Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, Trevor L. said: Unless a Pygmy decided to stray really far from home, Brown-headed is your solution. For education, how are you ruling out White-breasted from these photos? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, meghann said: For education, how are you ruling out White-breasted from these photos? White spot at the back of the head. Also, the eye would be much more visible (in the white part of the face) head looks brown, and GISS just feels better for Brown-headed than White-breasted. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meghann Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, Seanbirds said: White spot at the back of the head. Also, the eye would be much more visible (in the white part of the face) head looks brown, and GISS just feels better for Brown-headed than White-breasted. I agree, was just giving Trevor the chance to do it, since he did the original ID, and the OP had requested that info in the original post. 🙂 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, meghann said: I agree, was just giving Trevor the chance to do it, since he did the original ID, and the OP had requested that info in the original post. 🙂 Whoops! Sorry! 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor L. Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 25 minutes ago, meghann said: For education, how are you ruling out White-breasted from these photos? Sorry, I took a really quick look at the photos and had Brown-headed on the brain. Didn't pay that much attention. My mistake. Sorry, OP. It's a White-breasted for sure. Stupid moment on my part. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, Trevor L. said: Sorry, I took a really quick look at the photos and had Brown-headed on the brain. Didn't pay that much attention. My mistake. Sorry, OP. It's a White-breasted for sure. Stupid moment on my part. What!?!?!? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 42 minutes ago, Seanbirds said: White spot at the back of the head. I'm not seeing one in the first photo. In the second, I think the bird is turned away from us and we're seeing the white on the left side of the head. Since there's white visible up the side of the head well above the eye, White-breasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said: I'm not seeing one in the first photo. See it now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meghann Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) I love being an agent of chaos. 😂 Edit-these shots had me going back and forth, because I feel that I can't get a good read on the orientation of the head vs. the white areas. I will say I don't think the darker head color should be that much darker looking than the body in a Brown-headed Nuthatch. Edited November 11, 2021 by meghann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 48 minutes ago, Seanbirds said: See it now? I'm pretty sure that's also the left side of the head. Compare with this WBNU ripped off from Macaulay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birding Boy Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Trevor L. said: Unless a Pygmy decided to stray really far from home, Brown-headed is your solution. Agreed, BHNU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor L. Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 I am stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Trevor L. said: I am stupid We all feel that way sometimes. Especially me!! 😂 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 29 minutes ago, Trevor L. said: I am stupid Doubtful. Possibly mistaken, but even that hasn’t been determined yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Definitely a Pygmy Red-and-White-breasted Brown-headed Nuthatch! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 I see it as a WBNU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 A couple things to note here. 1. Baldwin County, Alabama - no records of White-breasted Nuthatch (at least on eBird) 2. Pine tree 3. Y'all are looking at the head wrong. It's faced to the right in the first pic. Here's a very crude example: 4. Side and flanks are gray and not whitish. For these reason, I support Brown-headed Nuthatch for this bird. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Liam said: A couple things to note here. 1. Baldwin County, Alabama - no records of White-breasted Nuthatch (at least on eBird) 2. Pine tree 3. Y'all are looking at the head wrong. It's faced to the right in the first pic. Here's a very crude example: 4. Side and flanks are gray and not whitish. For these reason, I support Brown-headed Nuthatch for this bird. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. This. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Liam said: Thanks for coming to my TED talk. All that nice stuff I said about you earlier this week? I'll see if the mods can edit it out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 11/11/2021 at 1:12 PM, meghann said: I agree, was just giving Trevor the chance to do it, since he did the original ID, and the OP had requested that info in the original post. 🙂 @meghann 👍 🙂 👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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