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1 hour ago, KnotLisa said:

Rounded tail is never considered definitive, right?

That's my understanding, however, I believe that field mark is about the shape of the tail in flight. I'm no expert though.

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1 hour ago, KnotLisa said:

Thanks everyone! Just to be clear, is there any way you could get Cooper's from these photos? Rounded tail is never considered definitive, right?

The tail definitely causes a double-take.  I don't like that much white on the tips and a couple of the feathers looks a tad shorter.  Any other shots?

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9 minutes ago, neilpa said:

That's my understanding, however, I believe that field mark is about the shape of the tail in flight. I'm no expert though.

As I understand it, the best mark on tail shape is that the outer feathers (which are on the bottom when the tail is folded) are shorter than the inner ones.  On a perched bird that's best seen from below.  On this one, you can see in both shots that all the tail feathers are around the same length, and there's certainly no pattern of the outer ones being shorter.

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Yes at chipperatl - I do have a few other shots, but I don't thing any are as definitive as the first two. How about this one, where the end of the tail is accidently cut off. If this was the only shot I had, would you call it Sharp-shinned, Cooper's or Accipiter species? Thanks.

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16 minutes ago, KnotLisa said:

Yes at chipperatl - I do have a few other shots, but I don't thing any are as definitive as the first two. How about this one, where the end of the tail is accidently cut off. If this was the only shot I had, would you call it Sharp-shinned, Cooper's or Accipiter species? Thanks.

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That shot shows the rounded head you'd expect from a Sharp-shinned.  

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4 minutes ago, PaulK said:

Oh for sure it looks like a sharpie, just wondering about the tail. Hybrid? 

I believe the shorter feathers would be underneath, not on the top.

And I think further complicating things can be that the birds molt their tail feathers, and when they are growing back in can look different length. Not saying that's what is going on here, it's just a factor. Feather wear on older feathers can be a factor on birds, too. Tail feather length can be super variable and should only be used as a supporting feature.

This is 100% a sharpie.

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6 hours ago, chipperatl said:

The tail definitely causes a double-take.  I don't like that much white on the tips and a couple of the feathers looks a tad shorter.  Any other shots?

Uh oh……. Hybrid?? 
 

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