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Longspurs number 1, Lassen county, January 22

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I realized today that I am absolutely Terrrible at Longspur identification. I can pick out the LALOs no problem, but once it comes to Thick-billed and Chestnut-collared Longspurs, I hardly know where to start. I'd never heard them in person before and the calls were all confusing to me, and the wind made any recordings I tried to create close to useless. I had to resort to snapping tons of photos and seeing what was in them. Does anyone have any good advise for separating the two? Forgive me if I put any unidentifiable photos in, I'm not sure where it becomes impossible. 

bird 1. 

The middle photo has been lightened





Bird 2. 

Tail Pattern makes this CCLO?





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2 hours ago, Avery said:

My guess is Thick-billed. You can see the rufous shoulders on the second bird, which also looks plainer. The first bird has that dark breast spot, and somewhat reddish shoulders.

The tail in the last two pictures sure looks like Chestnut-collared, though.

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