Turkey Vultures, Black Vultures, or impossible to tell

[dragon49]

I didn't see any white at the edge of the wings, but the lighting conditions and distance may have hidden those features from me.  

Can anything about the wing shapes in these crappy pictures determine the species?

Taken this morning in Boynton Beach, Florida:

 

 

Edited June 7, 2022 by dragon49

[Seanbirds]

The photos are so out-of-focus that no plumage features are reliable, but I'd say based on the body/wing shape, size, and posture that these are Turkey Vultures. 

[cvanbosk]

Just based on flight posture, my gut says Turkey (at least the one on the left).

[chipperatl]

Was it rocking in flight?

[Avery]

2 hours ago, chipperatl said:

Was it rocking in flight?

Good point. The head bobbing and air guitar should be pretty obvious. ?

[DLecy]

I mean, no offense, but the photos are putrid (pun intended). The GISS on this bird to me is Black Vulture. From what I can tell, the bird looks relatively flat-winged, short-tailed, and there does appear to be light primaries.

I would not wager a guess on the ID from these photos alone, but I would call this is a BLVU over a TUVU if I were pressed to make a call.

[Charlie Spencer]

7 hours ago, DLecy said:

I would not wager a guess on the ID from these photos alone,

This, especially regarding the righthand bird. 

[Seanbirds]

8 hours ago, DLecy said:

I mean, no offense, but the photos are putrid (pun intended). The GISS on this bird to me is Black Vulture. From what I can tell, the bird looks relatively flat-winged, short-tailed, and there does appear to be light primaries.

I would not wager a guess on the ID from these photos alone, but I would call this is a BLVU over a TUVU if I were pressed to make a call.

Hmm. I can see that.

It's not a hill worth dying on either way.

 

Vulture sp.

[aveschapinas]

Just to complicate things, and agreeing that a firm ID probably isn't possible here, my impression is Black on the left and Turkey on the right, based mostly on apparent tail shape - although the angle could be making the tail on the left look shorter, it seems wide. Also wing shape and position seem like Black to me. Right-hand bird looks to have a longer, narrower tail, and wings look a little more pointy. Seems like rightie might be flapping wings based on the first two pictures. Size comparison isn't helpful because we have no idea how far away either bird is.

So a fun puzzle but I'm climbing down the hill because I want to live too.

[Kevin]

Almost certainly the the bird on the left is a BLVU, the bird on the right is totally unidentifiable.