zoutedrop Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 two different Northern Cardinals taken 5 years apart on the south TX coast any comments on the plumage? has anyone seen this in a Northern Cardinal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 Partial leucism. It's not uncommon in cardinals. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestranger Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 I wonder if this might be the tail end of a young male getting his adult colour. It looks to me like there's still hints of black in the beak of the first bird. If the time of year is the same for both photos, it could just be young birds mounting. *said by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about regarding the timing of bird moults* 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 6 hours ago, lonestranger said: I wonder if this might be the tail end of a young male getting his adult colour. I admit I didn't consider that. The pale feathers look too pale to have been the colors (note spelling) of an immature card, but that's just my impression. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoutedrop Posted August 16, 2022 Author Share Posted August 16, 2022 first off I am colorblind, I cannot see the nuances that maybe present the first shot was in September, the second in October if I look at leucistic NOCAs, the feathers seem to be stark white, these feathers don't look white(?) the second bird shows bleaching on the primaries, leucism impacts the entire feather So I am inclined to agree that both these birds are maturing juveniles. But if this is the vestiges juvenile plumage , why doesn't the internet have a ton of examples? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestranger Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 hour ago, zoutedrop said: But if this is the vestiges juvenile plumage , why doesn't the internet have a ton of examples? A quick Google search for "moulting juvenile cardinal" shows similar looking birds in various stages of moult. https://www.google.com/search?q=moulting+juvenile+cardinals&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwigt5GGycz5AhUeEmIAHb6ICJwQ2-cCegQIABAB&oq=moulting+juvenile+cardinals&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzoFCAAQgAQ6BAgAEA06BAgeEAo6BAghEApQvAlYjTBgwDdoAHAAeACAAdcDiAGyE5IBCTAuNS4xLjMuMZgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=0y_8YuCBHJ6kiLMPvpGi4Ak&bih=718&biw=412&client=ms-android-bell-ca-revc&prmd=nisv 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoutedrop Posted August 17, 2022 Author Share Posted August 17, 2022 I did that search and I guess I was being too picky. thx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestranger Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 14 hours ago, Charlie Spencer said: I admit I didn't consider that. The pale feathers look too pale to have been the colors (note spelling) of an immature card, but that's just my impression. I have to admit that the pale feathers are close to being completely white, but the darkness to the tip to the upper mandible makes me think this is a young bird getting the last of it's adult colours. (Note the way that the rest of the world spells it.) Maybe it's a leucistic, juvenile Cardinal, going through moult? I don't know. I do know it's spelled "colour" though. ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 15 hours ago, lonestranger said: moult? *molt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestranger Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Seanbirds said: *molt *moult 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 7 hours ago, Seanbirds said: *molt dolt, eh? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbirds Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said: dolt, eh? You win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestranger Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Charlie Spencer said: dolt, eh? No need to call @Seanbirds a dolt just because of the way he spelled moult. There's actually two correct spellings for moult, so he's not actually the dolt here. He just chose the wrong correct spelling, go easy on him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 On 8/16/2022 at 6:40 PM, zoutedrop said: first off I am colorblind, Do you know that the Night-heron in your profile photo is pink? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, lonestranger said: No need to call @Seanbirds a dolt just because of the way he spelled moult. There's actually two correct spellings for moult, so he's not actually the dolt here. He just chose the wrong correct spelling, go easy on him. @Seanbirds, I apologize for @lonestranger mistakenly think I called you a dolt (doult?). Edited August 18, 2022 by Charlie Spencer 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoutedrop Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 On 8/18/2022 at 8:08 AM, Kevin said: Do you know that the Night-heron in your profile photo is pink? I have had this avatar for 14 years, this is the first observation that the gray bird is pink. Is this better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 1 minute ago, zoutedrop said: I have had this avatar for 14 years, this is the first observation that the gray bird is pink. Is this better? A little bit....Still pretty pink colored. I really don't care at all, just thought you might not know. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoutedrop Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kevin said: A little bit....Still pretty pink colored. I really don't care at all, just thought you might not know. I did the original Photoshop 14 years ago, redid it to ensure that I did nothing but shadow/brightness (a bit over exposed), must be a camera aberration(?) Happy that you made the observation, I think I will leave it as is now knowing that I have a hybrid? I am confident in my manhood and have no problem wearing a pink shirt, even if I didn't know it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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