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Hey! My friend Nick photographed a hummingbird in his yard (Butler Co. KS) on September 10th that looked a little different than the Ruby-throats he's used to. We looked at the bird and the buffy sides and short-ish bill have us wondering if there's even a slight chance it could be a Calliope. 

We've got a few different angles, but unfortunately no tail-spread shots.

Thanks in advance!

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- Buffy doesn't extend onto the shoulder like Calliope would have.

- Structurally doesn't seem right from photos, especially head shape

- It seems like Calliope have an even thinner, more needle-like bill

- Buffiness is in range for RTHU, looking at the Macaulay library.

- I shouldn't be trying to tackle this myself without experience with western hummers, so @AlexHenry @DLecy

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8 minutes ago, Quiscalus quiscula said:

- Buffy doesn't extend onto the shoulder like Calliope would have.

- Structurally doesn't seem right from photos, especially head shape

- It seems like Calliope have an even thinner, more needle-like bill

- Buffiness is in range for RTHU, looking at the Macaulay library.

- I shouldn't be trying to tackle this myself without experience with western hummers, so @AlexHenry @DLecy

I considered this and these seem to be valid points as well.

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5 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said:

Just to cover all bases, Rufous?  They're infrequent but regular winter guests in the southeast.

Not a hint of color on the undertail coverts, plus structure. 

 

9 minutes ago, Hasan said:

It's Ruby-throated, particularly in the fall it is completely normal to have a buffy wash on the sides. This looks nothing like Calliope or Rufous 

This.

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57 minutes ago, Quiscalus quiscula said:

- Buffy doesn't extend onto the shoulder like Calliope would have.

- Structurally doesn't seem right from photos, especially head shape

- It seems like Calliope have an even thinner, more needle-like bill

- Buffiness is in range for RTHU, looking at the Macaulay library.

- I shouldn't be trying to tackle this myself without experience with western hummers, so @AlexHenry @DLecy

Hahah you probably shouldn’t trust my female/immature hummingbird IDs very much. I struggle with them - they’re tough. But I agree this bird looks like a Ruby-throated

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1 hour ago, AlexHenry said:

Hahah you probably shouldn’t trust my female/immature hummingbird IDs very much. I struggle with them - they’re tough. But I agree this bird looks like a Ruby-throated

I agree with these statements 100%.

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I'll just add that I have no experience with Calliope or Rufous, but this looks fine for a Ruby-Throated. I definitely see them with that amount of peach/buff on the flanks; I've seen some females with even more color and more warm peach than this bird shows. Tail spots, bill size and shape, and postocular spot all look good to me.

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4 minutes ago, Quiscalus quiscula said:

Great to know that terminology! Seems like most hummingbirds have that?

Not all here do; but for example it's a different shape from Rivoli's, White-Eared don't have it (but they have the white "ear"). Most of the sabrewings don't have it, and a lot of the small hummers that can be confused with Rubies don't have it either.

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