2 warblers - SE WI mid sept

[chica]

looking for confirmation (or correction) on these 2 warblers:

 

I'm thinking this is a common yellow-throat - i don't like the face color and/or upper chest for orange crowned

 

 

I'm thinking this is a magnolia . . .

thanks

Kelly

[pictaker]

Common yellowthroat

cape may

[chica]

so - cape may because the yellow on the throat rolls toward the nape - and the faint black streaking on the throat (hard to see)??  what were your characteristics that pointed to cape may @pictaker?  thanks

[Quiscalus quiscula]

1 hour ago, chica said:

so - cape may because the yellow on the throat rolls toward the nape - and the faint black streaking on the throat (hard to see)??  what were your characteristics that pointed to cape may @pictaker?  thanks

Well, for one, the streaking is more on the chest than on the sides. I can't really explain this one very well, but it's definitely a Cape May. Sorry for being vague, but it just feels like one. After you've been a birder for a while, you kind of get warbler intuition.

[Avery]

The facial pattern is completely different on a Magnolia Warbler. Maggie’s have white eye-rings and “cleaner” faces in fall, as well as a lack of a wing patch, instead having faint wingbars. Not much yellow on the upper face either. 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Avery

[pictaker]

Its been a banner year for Cape Mays here in jersey, I probably have seen at least 100/200 of them, as soon as I saw your pic I said Cape may.Here are a few pics of the different ones I have seen in all different stages of plumage

 

 

 

[chica]

thanks for all the input @pictaker, @Avery and @Quiscalus quiscula.  I am an 'experienced' birder - but rarely get a chance at eastern warblers in fall - so that's a big gap for me.  Here's the thing though - neither my older Nat'l Geo nor my newer Sibley's shows the 'fall' warbler of either species with a broad white wing patch - only shows in 'breeding' = Mar-Aug according to Sibley's; so that through me.  Then, since this is a male "with" a broad wing patch (not wing bars) and the slight gray on the face - not even a hint of ruffous left over from 'breeding' plumage (cape may breeding male), - I leaned to magnolia - despite the 'smudges' on the throat that are hard to see.  Anyway - that was my thinking.  Good discussion . .

btw - I've noticed the tendency on bird ids to just state the bird and not give an explanation.  Understandable.  but if someone's not sure of the id - like me - I'd encourage all of you to take an extra minute and point out what characteristics led you to your ID - to help those less familiar with the species at hand.  Just a comment. 

thanks again

[lonestranger]

9 hours ago, chica said:

 

btw - I've noticed the tendency on bird ids to just state the bird and not give an explanation.  Understandable.  but if someone's not sure of the id - like me - I'd encourage all of you to take an extra minute and point out what characteristics led you to your ID - to help those less familiar with the species at hand.  Just a comment. 

thanks again

Thanks for the reminder, @chica. I agree that 'how' the bird was identified is just as valuable information as 'what' the bird's ID is. A simple ID might be all the poster is looking for, but there's many others, like myself, that are looking for some education beyond the birds name so pointing out distinguishing features is always appreciated.

[JP48]

10 hours ago, chica said:

thanks for all the input @pictaker, @Avery and @Quiscalus quiscula.  I am an 'experienced' birder - but rarely get a chance at eastern warblers in fall - so that's a big gap for me.  Here's the thing though - neither my older Nat'l Geo nor my newer Sibley's shows the 'fall' warbler of either species with a broad white wing patch - only shows in 'breeding' = Mar-Aug according to Sibley's; so that through me.  Then, since this is a male "with" a broad wing patch (not wing bars) and the slight gray on the face - not even a hint of ruffous left over from 'breeding' plumage (cape may breeding male), - I leaned to magnolia - despite the 'smudges' on the throat that are hard to see.  Anyway - that was my thinking.  Good discussion . .

btw - I've noticed the tendency on bird ids to just state the bird and not give an explanation.  Understandable.  but if someone's not sure of the id - like me - I'd encourage all of you to take an extra minute and point out what characteristics led you to your ID - to help those less familiar with the species at hand.  Just a comment. 

thanks again

You're probably already aware, but The Warbler Guide is a good resource (book and app).  You can key on region and season, and see different views ( side, head, underneath, undertail) and the app has a 360 view that is handy.