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3rd Winter Herring Gull extremes? Juvie LBBG?


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I'm assuming what I have here are an advanced 3rd Winter/cycle Herring Gull (still has ring on the bill, but complete adult plumage) and one that is a bit behind.  The second one really struck me as I'm not used to a juvie Herring Gull having such clean wings underneath.  

46153206931_279faa80c9_c.jpg_91A6306.jpg by chipperatl2, on Flickr

46102659812_ff637ebb14_c.jpg_91A6444.jpg by chipperatl2, on Flickr

31213940187_5aeed69df2_c.jpg_91A6409.jpg by chipperatl2, on Flickr

46102662572_51dcd3b34b_c.jpg_91A6446.jpg by chipperatl2, on Flickr

46102664002_3c6307518f_c.jpg_91A6475.jpg by chipperatl2, on Flickr

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32281891618_f779754a3b_c.jpg_91A6500.jpg by chipperatl2, on Flickr

Also wondering if this fairly clean-headed, dark bill, looks slightly smaller than HERG could be a juvie Lesser Black-backed Gull.  I seem to see a lot of fairly clean headed juvenile HERG that I want  to try to make into GBBG, but this one is smaller.

45429425024_0fab60a352_c.jpg_91A6655.jpg by chipperatl2, on Flickr 

 

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14 minutes ago, egosnell2002 said:

The first one is a surprisingly a Ring-bill as well, leg colour confirms that. The other gull looks fine as Herring, but a location might help... The last looks good as a Lesser Black-backed, but it's hard from that photo.

Sorry I usually put my location in the title.  SW Michigan.  That is the oddest, biggest RBGU I’ve ever seen.  I think I cropped out a nearby HERG, cause it seemed really closer in size.  

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1 minute ago, chipperatl said:

Sorry I usually put my location in the title.  SW Michigan.  That is the oddest, biggest RBGU I’ve ever seen.  I think I cropped out a nearby HERG, cause it seemed really closer in size.  

I know what you mean. It was hurting my head for a while, but usually leg colour doesn't lie. I've seen Ring-bills with big bills before, so it's probably just a variation thing. But yeah, even structurally the head looks quite Herring-y. I stick with Ring-bill pretty strongly, especially since the bird in front of it seems to show a lot of similar traits, and it seems like an obvious Ring-bill to me. :classic_blink:

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@akiley @egosnell2002

I found a pic where he had part of his leg out of the water.  It looks kind of like the in-between greenish-pink leg color.  I see in the Gulls simplified some 2nd year sub-adults with similar structure.  Definitely a new look for me.  Every RBGU I've seen has that small nearly round head.  

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