MWM Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Both Common & Red-throated were present, just not sure from this angle if this is a Red-throated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinHood Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Looks like a Red-throated to me (thin bill) rather than Common. Does the dark lower neck (and small feet) in December suggest juvenile? Wait for more opinions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Why isn’t this a Pacific with the chinstrap and straight borders on the neck that are pushed down? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds are cool Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, Avery said: Why isn’t this a Pacific with the chinstrap and straight borders on the neck that are pushed down? My thoughts as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinHood Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Avery said: Why isn’t this a Pacific with the chinstrap and straight borders on the neck that are pushed down? I had the same thought (we have them at a large inland lake locally in Ontario) but I checked and no records for south shore of Lake Ontario (or New York) at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Is it an actual dark-feathered chinstrap or is it shadow? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 50 minutes ago, RobinHood said: I had the same thought (we have them at a large inland lake locally in Ontario) but I checked and no records for south shore of Lake Ontario (or New York) at all. I've seen one on Lake Champlain in VT and one just recently on the Tennessee River. They pass through in probably greater numbers than we think in the east from the birds that breed in the Hudson Bay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipperatl Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 MOAR photos!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, chipperatl said: MOAR photos!!! ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWM Posted December 5, 2022 Author Share Posted December 5, 2022 Never considered Pacific, although I believe there was one at this location (Sodus Point NY) last year. The shot was taken at sunrise so shadows can be a factor. I will try to post more photos of this bird if I can find them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWM Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) Here are a few more pics, basically the same view as it was a fly-over. (All the same bird, not sure why the last 2 pics seem to show a dark collar.) Edited December 6, 2022 by MWM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 minute ago, MWM said: Here are a few more pics, basically the same view as it was a fly-over. (All the same bird, not sure why the last 2 pics seem to show a dark collar.) With these pics, I agree with @Charlie Spencer about the shadows. The collar appears, chinstrap disappears, both seem equally black. Pretty sure it’s caused by shadow, so I guess RTLO is the best fit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan B Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) Not disagreeing with Red-throated Loon here, but I wouldn't be so quick to rule out Pac Loon just from the lack of the chinstrap in the last two photos. I've seen that chinstrap appear, disappear, and appear again in the blink of an eye on PALOs before. As an example, the two photos of this Pacific Loon shown below were taken less than two seconds apart while the lighting conditions did not change. All that changed was the angle from the bird flying past me. Edited December 7, 2022 by Aidan B 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Aidan B said: Not disagreeing with Red-throated Loon here, but I wouldn't be so quick to rule out Pac Loon just from the lack of the chinstrap in the last two photos. Yeah, but toss in the bird being WAY out of range for a Pac, along with Commons and Red-throateds already present. What is there to definitively support Pac and rule out the expected birds? Edited December 7, 2022 by Charlie Spencer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipperatl Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I wouldn’t mind seeing some lightened up pics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWM Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 Lightened shot, can't go much lighter, too much noise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Well, NOW it looks like a Common to me, so I’ll just listen to what more experienced oriole have to say 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestranger Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Avery said: so I’ll just listen to what more experienced oriole have to say How do you tell the difference between experienced and inexperienced orioles? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avery Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 3 hours ago, lonestranger said: How do you tell the difference between experienced and inexperienced orioles? Even my phone’s autocorrect was tired this morning! 😆 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKLland Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 That bill looks awfully thin for a Common IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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