Help with Orioles

[floraphile]

Hi, All.

There have been several Bullock's Orioles (rare here) in the last few weeks at one particular site.  I am good with IDs on the mature males, but the immatures and the females I find difficult to separate from Baltimore, which are also present at the same site.  Advice?  Four examples attached below.

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[Birds are cool]

1.  Bullock's Oriole

2.  Baltimore Oriole

3.  Baltimore Oriole

4. Baltimore Oriole

[Snake Fingers]

1 hour ago, Birds are cool said:

1.  Bullock's Oriole

2.  Baltimore Oriole

3.  Baltimore Oriole

4. Baltimore Oriole

Why? I need to get familiar with this also. Thanks.

[floraphile]

4 hours ago, Birds are cool said:

1.  Bullock's Oriole

2.  Baltimore Oriole

3.  Baltimore Oriole

4. Baltimore Oriole

Pointers?

[DLecy]

All Baltimore Orioles.

[lonestranger]

4 hours ago, DLecy said:

All Baltimore Orioles.

 

12 hours ago, Snake Fingers said:

Why? I need to get familiar with this also. Thanks.

 

9 hours ago, floraphile said:

Pointers?

 

[Snake Fingers]

What are the ways of distinguishing them? Thanks.

[Birds are cool]

6 hours ago, DLecy said:

All Baltimore Orioles.

Why? 

[DLecy]

38 minutes ago, Birds are cool said:

Why? 

Since your original claim was that bird number one is a Bullock's, with out providing your reasons as to why, perhaps you could provide your reasoning and we can start there?

[Birds are cool]

9 minutes ago, DLecy said:

Since your original claim was that bird number one is a Bullock's, with out providing your reasons as to why, perhaps you could provide your reasoning and we can start there?

A Baltimore Oriole would have a lot more orange on its side.

[DLecy]

I'm looking at the first bird now on my computer, and have some additional thoughts, but I'm interested in hearing others' perspectives.

[IKLland]

I’m not by any means an expert on female orioles(though I should look into them more). That being said, it’s possible that the first bird has more orange on the side then we think, as the side is completely overexposed.

[IKLland]

@floraphiledo you mind if I edit that photo?

[lonestranger]

I have a hard enough time separating the female Orioles I see in my yard at times, Baltimore and Orchard, so I have a lot to learn still but none of the birds posted looked like Baltimore Orioles to me. I can't explain why, they just looked off somehow so my curiosity was piqued when they were all IDed as Baltimores. Since no one offered explanations with their IDs, I used the multi-quote feature in the hopes of getting more info from knowledgeable members to satisfy my curiosity, and that of others. I did not intend to put anyone one the spot and apologize if that's what I inadvertly did. Thanks for any/all help offered.

Edited March 3 by lonestranger

[floraphile]

2 hours ago, IKLland said:

@floraphiledo you mind if I edit that photo?

Not at all!  I would greatly appreciate any and all help from any of you birders west of the Rockies.   🙂

[floraphile]

3 hours ago, DLecy said:

Since your original claim was that bird number one is a Bullock's, with out providing your reasons as to why, perhaps you could provide your reasoning and we can start there?

My goodness.  

In my original post, I was also asking for whys, not just IDs.  I've read the field guides listing the amount of yellow on the head vs. the breast as a helpful delineating feature and maybe the amount of white on the belly?  Are those features to pay attention to? Others?  As the Bullock's is a Western bird, I would greatly appreciate input from you western birders.

 

Edited March 3 by floraphile

[IKLland]

23 minutes ago, floraphile said:

My goodness.  

In my original post, I was also asking for whys, not just IDs.  I've read the field guides listing the amount of yellow on the head vs. the breast as a helpful delineating feature and maybe the amount of white on the belly?  Are those features to pay attention to? Others?  As the Bullock's is a Western bird, I would greatly appreciate input from you western birders.

 

@DLecy was responding to @Birds are cool, not your original post. @DLecywanted to know @Birds are cool's reasoning. 

[DLecy]

17 minutes ago, IKLland said:

@DLecy was responding to @Birds are cool, not your original post. @DLecywanted to know @Birds are cool's reasoning. 

This.

[Quiscalus quiscula]

I think these are all Baltimore, they all have brighter color on the breast than the malar, and bird 2 has scattered black feathers in areas that a Bullock's wouldn't. 

[Birds are cool]

3 hours ago, IKLland said:

I’m not by any means an expert on female orioles(though I should look into them more). That being said, it’s possible that the first bird has more orange on the side then we think, as the side is completely overexposed.

That's what I thought at first, but it still looks pretty white.

[IKLland]

18 minutes ago, Birds are cool said:

That's what I thought at first, but it still looks pretty white.

Here’s that photo darkened a lot.

 

[IKLland]

It’s blown out in the original shot so it’s not possible to recover all of those details. There maybe be some ornate coloration there that we can’t see.

 

@floraphiledid that bird have any coloration on the sides?

[Birds are cool]

Just now, IKLland said:

It’s blown out in the original shot so it’s not possible to recover all of those details. There maybe be some ornate coloration there that we can’t see.

 

@floraphiledid that bird have any coloration on the sides?

It is very blown out, but it does not look like it had any coloration on its sides.

[IKLland]

Here’s another attempt

I’m starting to think there actually isn’t coloration there.

[IKLland]

Since the face isn’t as bright as the breast, I’m inclined to think Bullock’s.