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Tanager 101

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I think $650 is probably a tad low for a mirrorless, and $350 certainly is. Idk of any that cheap. 
 

I’m a Canon shooter so most familiar with them. You’re best options are the EOS R, which was Canon’s first mirrorless in their current R series, and the R10. 

The R is a full-frame 30 MP, but my understanding is that it struggles to keep up with Canon’s newer, faster RF lenses like the 100-400 and 100-500. You will need to get this used to fit your budget. 

You can get the R10 (new) for just under $1000. I would recommend that if you go Canon. 24 MP APS-C. 

Aside from Canon, Sony is the best brand for mirrorless.  
 

For under $1000, the a6400 seems like an excellent choice.

There may be some cheaper options out there, but I would recommend spending towards the higher end of your budget for the best results. With that being said, I would invest in a better lens vs a better camera body. 

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If you haven't budgeted for a birding lens to go with the mirrorless camera, you may want to consider a super zoom Point and Shoot which is technically a mirrorless camera with a built in lens. Just throwing that out there because the cost of good birding lenses can get pricey.

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23 minutes ago, lonestranger said:

If you haven't budgeted for a birding lens to go with the mirrorless camera, you may want to consider a super zoom Point and Shoot which is technically a mirrorless camera with a built in lens. Just throwing that out there because the cost of good birding lenses can get pricey.

Good point. The lens is usually as expensive as the body, if not more.

With that said, if you go with the R10, you can get the RF100-400mm for less than $600. I shoot with this lens, and I think that dollar for dollar, it’s one of the best on the market. 
 

The R10 is a crop-sensor (1.6x), so the 100-400 will essentially function as a  640mm lens. 
 

I don’t think Sony offers any telephoto superzooms that are comparable price-wise, so that may be a strike against the a6400. They’re flagship 200-600 is excellent, but will run you a little under $2k. 
 

All in, the setup I’m recommending (R10 w/RF100-400) will cost ~$1600. 

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I'm also likely going to be selling off my Nikon D3300 DSLR and Sigma 150-600mm lens within the next year, jumping over to either the Canon or Sony mirrorless system. I've heard that both companies have made great strides with eye focusing on wildlife, while Nikon lags a bit behind. Exactly which camera and lens require research, and I'm not sure of my budget yet (probably $2,000), but I'll take @blackburnian's suggestions into consideration. I'm leaning Canon due to the lens selection.

There's also that ridiculous 800mm f/11, which you can even attach a teleconverter to get 1600mm f/22 (2400mm on an APS-C), but good luck finding anything with that.

That and grabbing a good, compact superzoom for non-birding vacations (the P1000 is out because it's huge). I know @Charlie Spencer recommended the Lumix FZ80K.

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1 hour ago, Charlie Spencer said:

Technically, I recommended the FZ70, the previous model.  I haven't had hands-on experience with the 80.  @IKLland, didn't you have an FZ80?

 

Yes, it was ok, but if your budget is higher than this price, which @Tanager 101’s is, AND if you can’t afford a good lens and mirrorless camera, the point and shoot I would recommend the Nikon p900 or p950, or one of those higher end point and shoots that Nikon has. The p1000 will be the best one, but it’s more expensive. By getting a point and shoot, however, you will have more zoom, but you will have drastically worse autofocus capabilities as well as image quality, etc. only get one of you know you can’t afford the R10 and rf 100-400 combo. Sell your old gear too, you can be surprised at how many people buy used gear.  

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9 minutes ago, IKLland said:

but if your budget is higher than this price, which @Tanager 101’s is, AND if you can’t afford a good lens and mirrorless camera,

I @'ed you regarding Zoroark's sidebar question regarding lightweight P&S's, not Tanager's original question.

Yeah, the P9x0 are a step up from the Panny (and are priced accordingly).  Man, that P1000 weighs too much for Z's casual travel purposes.  I still have the 70; Z can test it next time he's out here 😉 

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14 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said:

I @'ed you regarding Zoroark's sidebar question regarding lightweight P&S's, not Tanager's original question.

Yeah, the P9x0 are a step up from the Panny (and are priced accordingly).  Man, that P1000 weighs too much for Z's casual travel purposes.  I still have the 70; Z can test it next time he's out here 😉 

Well  in that case, the FZ-80 was a good camera for the price, but it comes with many performance drawbacks obviously. 

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Thanks for the suggestions everyone!!! I should have just specified my thoughts for a $350 mirrorless camera was the sony a6000. You can get it for "like new" at that price and wondered if it might be a good bird camera. It have 11 FPS I believe and 24 MP (APSC). On the note of the R10 does it specifically have the Bird eye-AF? I've never really looked into that model... Also for all of these cameras I'd take thoughts on adapters too (I have a sigma 150-600mm canon ef mount currently) If sony, I think the sigma MC-11 looks like a good one. Would this significantly slow down AF though?

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16 minutes ago, Tanager 101 said:

Thanks for the suggestions everyone!!! I should have just specified my thoughts for a $350 mirrorless camera was the sony a6000. You can get it for "like new" at that price and wondered if it might be a good bird camera. It have 11 FPS I believe and 24 MP (APSC). On the note of the R10 does it specifically have the Bird eye-AF? I've never really looked into that model... Also for all of these cameras I'd take thoughts on adapters too (I have a sigma 150-600mm canon ef mount currently) If sony, I think the sigma MC-11 looks like a good one. Would this significantly slow down AF though?

The R10 has bird eye tracking AF. It’s fantastic. If you get a canon, do your best to try not to use an adapter. Most, if not all, lenses adapted into a RF camera drastically worsen when it comes to autofocus. I use the sigma on my R7 adapter, and it works fine, but most copies of the sigma don’t work well, I got very very lucky. 

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On 8/14/2023 at 5:55 PM, Tanager 101 said:

Thanks for the suggestions everyone!!! I should have just specified my thoughts for a $350 mirrorless camera was the sony a6000. You can get it for "like new" at that price and wondered if it might be a good bird camera. It have 11 FPS I believe and 24 MP (APSC). On the note of the R10 does it specifically have the Bird eye-AF? I've never really looked into that model... Also for all of these cameras I'd take thoughts on adapters too (I have a sigma 150-600mm canon ef mount currently) If sony, I think the sigma MC-11 looks like a good one. Would this significantly slow down AF though?

I quickly ponied up for the RF 100-500 after only a few weeks (if that) of using the Sigma 150-600 with adapter.  It was horribly slow to AF on the R5.  

Everything I see says the R10 has the animal eye focus.  If it is even half as good as the R5, it will be a game-changer for you.  

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6 hours ago, Tanager 101 said:

Follow-up question: Is animal and bird eye AF the same thing? Some cameras just have animal and others have a specific option for birds. 

it’s probably just some marketing-talk.  Canon is animal, but it nails a bird’s eye.  

 

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