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I feel the second bird is a Harlan's, and I'd be surprised if it wasn't the same bird.  The primaries, especially the outermost ones, banded to the tips are good for juvenile dark and intermediate Harlan's.  It doesn't have the pale markings on the tips of the tail feathers, but I think some Harlan's don't have that.

See this thread for a very similar bird: 


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