lonesome55dove Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Taken 07 NOV 2012 / Independence, MO / Jackson County Black-capped or Carolina? I have it marked as a Black-capped but I would appreciate a confirmation. Thank you. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meghann Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'd call it a Black-capped, due to the "hockey stick", but MO is in the overlap zone, so I like to hear the call, too, to be sure. (And then they hybridize, but we won't get into that, lol.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, meghann said: I'd call it a Black-capped, due to the "hockey stick", but MO is in the overlap zone, so I like to hear the call, too, to be sure. (And then they hybridize, but we won't get into that, lol.) "Hockey stick"? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvoryBillHope Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said: "Hockey stick"? The pattern of the white in the wings of Black-capped Chickadee is traditionally referred to as hockey stick-shaped. Doesn't really look like one to me but that's the term used in a lot of field guides. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meghann Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 If it helps, the messy bib and extensive buff color help push it more to the black-capped side, as well, I believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesome55dove Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 Thank you @meghann , @IvoryBillHope and @Charlie Spencer. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim W Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I once broke a hockey stick and it looked like the white lines on the wings. Having said that, the white on the coverts looks a bit like a field hockey stick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) Apparently I know far less about the shape of hockey sticks than I thought. Skinny thing, makes about a 60-degree bend at one end, long shaft is about six or seven times the length of the shorter, wider blade, right? Or maybe some people interpreting field marks are more artistically interpretive than I am. I guess it's moot; I'm only in BCCH territory every few years anyway. Edited January 17, 2019 by Charlie Spencer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiley Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 David Sibley stated in his blog that up to 2/3 of chickadees in the overlap zone can be hybrids. They're often not identifiable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavan wood Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 If you look at one covert at a time, the long white edge makes the (short) handle of the stick, and the short, white, visible end of the covert makes the blade. Maybe it's just easier to say coverts with white edges.? Scott 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, cavan wood said: If you look at one covert at a time, the long white edge makes the (short) handle of the stick, and the short, white, visible end of the covert makes the blade. Maybe it's just easier to say coverts with white edges.? Scott Oh, the individual coverts! I've been looking for a blob of white spread across multiple feathers, like how the cheek on the one above kind of resembles a striking snake's head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesome55dove Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Charlie Spencer said: Apparently I know far less about the shape of hockey sticks than I thought. Skinny thing, makes about a 60-degree bend at one end, long shaft is about six or seven times the length of the shorter, wider blade, right? Or maybe some people interpreting field marks are more artistically interpretive than I am. I guess it's moot; I'm only in BCCH territory every few years anyway. Yea, me too...and my eyes are worse than I think they are...I fail to see anything that looks like a hockey stick. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesome55dove Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, cavan wood said: If you look at one covert at a time, the long white edge makes the (short) handle of the stick, and the short, white, visible end of the covert makes the blade. Maybe it's just easier to say coverts with white edges.? Scott I'll take your word for it as I can not see a hockey stick...maybe I'm not looking at the right area. I'll have to study on it some...thanks for the info. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meghann Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesome55dove Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Charlie Spencer said: Oh, the individual coverts! I've been looking for a blob of white spread across multiple feathers, like how the cheek on the one above kind of resembles a striking snake's head. I'm glad you figured it out...I have not yet but I'll keep trying to see what I'm missing! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesome55dove Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, meghann said: Awesome! Bless your heart...thank you so much. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Looks more like a golf club to me, although I can't say exactly which one. Definitely some type of driver or wedge, not a wood or putter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavan wood Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Oh, Meghan describes it differently. Well, either way it's because of white edging on the coverts. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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