Geam Liang Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Taken on April 21, from where I was staying which is about a 10 minute drive from Sea World. Pics 1&2 are taken at 9:41am, while Pics 3,4&5 are taken (same location) at 9:44-9:45am. They are 2 different birds. Pic1&2 looks like a smallish Sea Eagle I often see back home (South East Asia) but I've no idea what it is. Pic3-5.. 2nd bird, could it be a Cooper's Hawk? Thanks for any help to ID them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dred Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 First one is an osprey. The second may be a red shoulder hawk, but it looks like it's going through a rough molt and I'm not really sure about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geam Liang Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, dred said: First one is an osprey. The second may be a red shoulder hawk, but it looks like it's going through a rough molt and I'm not really sure about it. Thanks... appreciate any help to ID either one of them. =D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 The Osprey feeds almost exclusively by diving for fish, so they may be related to your local Sea Eagles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geam Liang Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 38 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said: The Osprey feeds almost exclusively by diving for fish, so they may be related to your local Sea Eagles. Very possible, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiley Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Last one looks better for Broad-winged to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geam Liang Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, akiley said: Last one looks better for Broad-winged to me. Okay.. I'll put that down on my notes until/unless something changes.... thank you very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PascalNJ Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Note that Ospreys are only distant relative to eagles, hawks and harriers, since they are in a separate family (Pandionidae). Ospreys can be found on all continents (except Antarctica, of course ?) FWIW, the second bird looks like a Red Shouldered Hawk to me, with translucent crescents near the tip of the wings which are, I think, a good marker. Also dark eyes and squared wings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millipede Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 58 minutes ago, PascalNJ said: looks like a Red Shouldered Hawk to me, with translucent crescents near the tip of the wings which are, I think, a good marker. That's what I was thinking as well... Though I usually trust Akiley's ID's so I'm curious what the reasoning is behind that suggestion. ? Details please? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geam Liang Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, millipede said: That's what I was thinking as well... Though I usually trust Akiley's ID's so I'm curious what the reasoning is behind that suggestion. ? Details please? ? Sorry.. I know not. You can see what Aikley wrote right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, PascalNJ said: Note that Ospreys are only distant relative to eagles, hawks and harriers, since they are in a separate family (Pandionidae). Ospreys can be found on all continents (except Antarctica, of course ?) Excellent point. It may be that the bird we call an Osprey here in North America is what Geam Liang knows as a Sea Eagle at home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Friedman Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, PascalNJ said: Note that Ospreys are only distant relative to eagles, hawks and harriers, since they are in a separate family (Pandionidae). Ospreys can be found on all continents (except Antarctica, of course ?) FWIW, the second bird looks like a Red Shouldered Hawk to me, with translucent crescents near the tip of the wings which are, I think, a good marker. Also dark eyes and squared wings. I believe the five "fingers" (emarginated primaries) are also good for Red-shouldered. Broad-wings have four. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Landon Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 The 4/5 fingers is a nice bit of info. I originally called this a Red Shouldered but now not so sure. It was super early in season but someone has to be first . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 hours ago, akiley said: Last one looks better for Broad-winged to me. What makes you think Broad-winged? I think the tail pattern (thin white bands and thick dark bands) fits Red-shouldered better and it also has some reddish color on its head and shoulders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Landon Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 It looks to me that the tail bands are equal, I am not seeing the thin/thick. Also the breast streaking stops halfway.Just throwing it out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiley Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, The Bird Nuts said: What makes you think Broad-winged? I think the tail pattern (thin white bands and thick dark bands) fits Red-shouldered better and it also has some reddish color on its head and shoulders. The patterning on the breast looks better for Broad-winged IMO. The wings look a little shorter than the long wings of a RS. I find that the tail banding isn't that useful of a field mark as it's variable and often hard to assess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bird Nuts Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, akiley said: The patterning on the breast looks better for Broad-winged IMO. The wings look a little shorter than the long wings of a RS. I find that the tail banding isn't that useful of a field mark as it's variable and often hard to assess. What about the black and white primaries coming in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbvol50 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 hours ago, The Bird Nuts said: What makes you think Broad-winged? I think the tail pattern (thin white bands and thick dark bands) fits Red-shouldered better and it also has some reddish color on its head and shoulders. Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiley Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, The Bird Nuts said: What about the black and white primaries coming in? Yeah that makes sense for RS. I guess is it is a RS but that breast pattern looks odd to me still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdbrain22 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 FWIW...I see a the hawk as a definite Red-shouldered. Others already mentioned the usual field marks used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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