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3 hours ago, birdgurl said:

I'm not climbing any tree. I'm 70 years old. I might make it up but coming down would be a problem.

I'm pretty much going with Coopers.

Thanks for the help.

What!!??!! You're only 70 and you've quit climbing trees??? I'm 73 and I still climb trees!! I just got down off the roof a few minutes ago. Been cleaning out the gutters and checking for potential leaks, etc. If you don't climb that tree and get the measurement that Charlie requested I'm going to vote for Sharpie!! ?

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Juvenile Sharp-shinneds generally have extensive cross-barring on the streaking (which also tends strongly to reddish) on the underparts. Cooper's that have cross-barring (and a lot of them do) on the streaking (which tends strongly to blackish), it is restricted to many fewer feathers and nearly always on the sides. I repeat the previous note about the white tips to the rectrices, the blocky head, with a small eye placed well forward. Additionally, the outermost rectrix on each side has a rounded tip.

When trying to ID accipiters, something important to keep in mind about tail shape and length is that juveniles and females have longer, more-rounded tails than do adults and males. This makes determining the age or the sex fairly useful in determining the species ID.

This bird is certainly a juvenile, and I have no qualms at calling it a male on general proportions.

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2 minutes ago, Tony Leukering said:

Juvenile Sharp-shinneds generally have extensive cross-barring on the streaking (which also tends strongly to reddish) on the underparts. Cooper's that have cross-barring (and a lot of them do) on the streaking (which tends strongly to blackish), it is restricted to many fewer feathers and nearly always on the sides. I repeat the previous note about the white tips to the rectrices, the blocky head, with a small eye placed well forward. Additionally, the outermost rectrix on each side has a rounded tip.

When trying to ID accipiters, something important to keep in mind about tail shape and length is that juveniles and females have longer, more-rounded tails than do adults and males. This makes determining the age or the sex fairly useful in determining the species ID.

This bird is certainly a juvenile, and I have no qualms at calling it a male on general proportions.

Are you saying you agree with Cooper's?

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