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Upstate NY, pictures taken today

Bird 1: 

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Bird 2, this one was working on some roadkill, and didn't want to go far, so I got better shots, I'm leaning towards juvi and/or female Northern Harrier

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2 minutes ago, Birding Boy said:

Those look like northern harriers, and are both males I believe. 

Keeping in mind that I've never (as far as I know anyway) seen a male Harrier, the pictures I can find of them show them to be fairly grey/light in color, while the females/juvi's are darker/browner

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Yeah, I think you are correct about that; on second thought they both look like juvi's with that colloration. I was just thrown off by the streaking on chest on the first bird, sorry about that. 

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1 minute ago, Birding Boy said:

Yeah, I think you are correct about that; on second thought they both look like juvi's with that colloration. I was just thrown off by the streaking on chest on the first bird, sorry about that. 

Thats ok, I keep hoping to see a male, I've seen females a few times now, but never an adult male, so I was suddenly wondering if I was wrong in how I'd been IDing them!

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The second bird is a 1st year Northern Harrier. Note the streaking only goes to its chest, and it has white on its face.

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