ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Saw in Greensboro North Carolina, 3.9.20. Small, wren or swallow sized, sitting in a bush. SOLID white body, except for distinct alternating HORIZONTAL (across wings at 90 degrees to the wing length) black and white barring on the wings, and a small brilliant red patch on back/top of head. No clue what this bird is, never seen one before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstacks Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Downy woodpecker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Possibly related but the bird was SOLID WHITE, with no trace of black ANYWHERE except the bars on the wings, and a small patch of red on head. I had an excellent look... was sitting just 20 feet away for 10 minutes or more. No black anywhere except bars on wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Guy Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Not brilliant white but the rest fits - ruby crowned kinglet? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melierax Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) Does this look similar, minus the red on the head? It's possible you saw a leucistic bird. (I took the photo from google) Edited March 11, 2020 by Melierax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 No, definitely not. Body color is white as snow, and the multiple black bars on the wings run *across* each wing (alternating evenly with the white background), they do not run the length of the wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melierax Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Did you happen to note the size, shape and color of the beak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Not too much... the black bars need to be SMALL (width of a pencil or less) and EVENLY alternating with solid white background color. (Think of the classic 'cartoon prisoner's uniform....) And, of course, a brilliant, but small, red cap that is only on the back side of the skull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 I'm certainly no expert... but the beak to me seemed "unremarkable"... not thick and strong like a seed-cracker, but not very long either like woodpeckers I've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melierax Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Red-bellied Woodpecker? I know it's not completely white, but does everything else fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Red bellied woodpecker: Red on head is far too extensive (extends down to the beak and neck... what I saw was more like a 'skull cap' of red, only on the BACK of skull). Also the alternating black and white on the red bellied is too wavy... needs to be STRAIGHT lines right across the wings and nowhere else... and of course, no black anywhere on body at all, just straight black bars alternating with white on the wings only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melierax Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) Not to be rude, but those kinds of details like perfectly straight bars is very subject to feather placement which can vary widely from bird to bird. I was particularly referencing the female RBWO:  I can't think of anything else that fits that description. I'm pretty sure woodpeckers are the only genus in the US that has horizontal barring on the back, besides maybe American Kestrel and a few others that don't fit your description. Have you looked through the list of woodpeckers on the Whatbird identification website? Edited March 11, 2020 by Melierax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Close though.... (perhaps a seasonal variant or subspecies of the red bellied woodpecker?) That's the closest match I seen suggested yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melierax Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, ducktapesunroof said: Close though.... (perhaps a seasonal variant or subspecies of the red bellied woodpecker?) That's the closest match I seen suggested yet. Is it the black on the tail that's not similar to what you saw? I'm just wondering because I might be missing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 I had a good look at sides and back. Definitely was NO barring on the back, black alternated with white only on the wings. The rest of it's body (other then red cap) was all white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Tail was white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Everything matches your posted pic (even cap of red on back of head) except that back and tail had no black at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Alternating black and white on wings was extremely regular though... like someone inked straight black lines across the outside of each snow-white wing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) How's this? This is another Red-Bellied, but this one has a pigmentation variation called 'leucism'. Leucistic birds are missing pigment in some of their feathers. It's not albino, and it usually doesn't indicate there's anything else unusual or abnormal about the bird. Leucistic birds aren't uncommon, although some species are more prone to it than others. In this case, the bird is male, which is why the red goes all the way over the head. The one Melierax posted earlier is female, with the red on the back of the head only. Edited March 11, 2020 by Charlie Spencer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Interesting... I'd say (from the small red cap) that it must have been a female. But the black bars on the wings were *extremely* prominent and regularly spaced, while the rest of the bird was snow white... without even a spot of black anywhere other then the wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, ducktapesunroof said: Interesting... I'd say (from the small red cap) that it must have been a female. But the black bars on the wings were *extremely* prominent and regularly spaced, while the rest of the bird was snow white... without even a spot of black anywhere other then the wings. Leucism is highly variable. Some birds may have color missing from only a few feathers, others show white all over but have normal colored eyes, legs, feet, and bills. It's almost always identical on both sides, left and right. If the overall shape looks good, I suspect we have the right bird and pigment variation. It's a question of exactly how the genes expressed themselves, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Thanks Charlie, I think you've pegged it. (An interesting variation... never heard of leucism before.) Such a pretty bird! Snow white all over, except for evenly black-banded wings and small, bright, red cap. Not a trace of 'salt and pepper' or 'dirty white' anywhere on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Red-bellied Woodpecker is definitely larger than wren or swallow sized, also your description of the beak does not fit with Red-bellied Woodpecker. But if you are satisfied with that answer I'll shut up, because based on your description no one will be able to give you a definitive answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducktapesunroof Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Perhaps a small female? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHenry Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Well size can be tough to judge objectively especially if the bird is "out of context" - if there is something nearby to compare it to, it is easier. I don't think there's that much sexual dimorphism between Red-bellied Woodpeckers, more likely there was just nothing nearby to give an accurate sense of scale. Judging size can be notoriously difficult and inaccurate without something for direct comparison, but I'd argue that it is still one of the most important things to pay attention to when identifying a bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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