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I agree!!!! 

I absolutely HATE it when I run out of 'Likes'!!!  

I am hesitating to answer because I'm not sure.... torn between Common Raven and Golden Eagle.  Don't think it is any sort of hawk.

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10 hours ago, AlexHenry said:

Turkey Vultures don't have big heads and long bills like that.

I'm not seeing a big head... the "bill" I believe IS the head. Ravens dont really have distinct flight feather groupings, where the bulging secondaries are prominent and then the long primaries. Ravens are more just even, making them look pointed. Tail length is weird too in relation to the wing length as well for raven. 

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42 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said:

Looks like a corvid to me, esp. the tail and separation on the end primaries.

The separation is a good field mark for TUVU as well... 

The bulging secondaries are just not a thing on Common Ravens. Also, in that close up I posted, the beak/head is curved downward. Makes sense for Turkey Vulture, not for Common Raven.

I admit it doesn't exactly look spot on for TUVU, but I can definitely say it's not a CORA. 

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44 minutes ago, Melierax said:

The separation is a good field mark for TUVU as well... 

Yeah, they just look closer together than I normally see on TUVUs.  Of course, that could be the angle.

At this time of year, would we still see young TUVUs whose heads haven't turned red yet?  

Regardless, it wouldn't show up on my checklist for the day.  :classic_blink:

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1 minute ago, Charlie Spencer said:

Yeah, they just look closer together than I normally see on TUVUs.  Of course, that could be the angle.

At this time of year, would we still see young TUVUs whose heads haven't turned red yet?  

I'm not sure the color of the head is really visible here, it could be red... I don't know about your question though.

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If Turkey Vultures are going somewhere, they flap. :classic_wacko::classic_wacko::classic_wacko: This bird is absolutely not a Common Raven. The head is most certainly CURVED, the tail is most certainly not the right shape or length for Common Raven. With the wrists projected like this, Common Ravens do not have large bulging secondaries and distinct, squarish primaries. They always have a very even and uniform trailing edge to the wings.

Just to clarify my position, I have Common Ravens nesting out of my back window and I see them flying by every day. I can rarely look out the window without seeing one. In summer, likewise with Turkey Vultures. I really don't know how else to explain it, this is not a CORA.

 

Photos I found for reference:

Turkey Vultures:

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/216349121#_ga=2.76775633.510991436.1584647711-652609844.1575481608

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/216157511#_ga=2.136922228.510991436.1584647711-652609844.1575481608

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/215745571#_ga=2.185936237.510991436.1584647711-652609844.1575481608

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/215335541#_ga=2.185936237.510991436.1584647711-652609844.1575481608

Common Ravens:

Note the straight, not bulging secondaries: https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/216454711#_ga=2.114503107.510991436.1584647711-652609844.1575481608 

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/216113161#_ga=2.141115894.510991436.1584647711-652609844.1575481608

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/216018981#_ga=2.141115894.510991436.1584647711-652609844.1575481608

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/215785161#_ga=2.141115894.510991436.1584647711-652609844.1575481608

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I don’t think the issue here is anyone’s amount of experience with Turkey Vultures or Common Ravens. I think the issue is the distance of the photo.

I guess I just disagree with you on this one. I can’t see Turkey Vulture there.

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The reason I asked about the time is because if it was early in the morning a Turkey Vulture might be flapping it's wings do to that there are not enough warm air currents.

I see 10-200 Turkey Vultures almost every day, and I am almost 100 percent sure that is not a Turkey Vulture.

@Tony Leukering Do you have any thoughts on this?

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