floraphile Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) While walking my dog this afternoon, I noted several raptors. A Black Vulture and several hawks--both seen & heard. I recognized a Red Tailed call but there was at least one other species (maybe 2) calling. I then saw 2 Buteos soaring in tandem and thought them to be Red-Taileds. They had a brightness to the undersides just above the tail, but I still felt they were probaby red tails, but looked for crescents to rule out/in Red-Shouldered, but could not discern any. Then I heard these calls. Also, what I thought was a hawk called from a nearby tree, as if in response to those in the air, then out popped a Blue Jay. I knew they would mimic certain hawks, but didn't know they would try to have a conversation with them! Attached is a video clip of one of the hawks calling--the audio is likely more helpful than the pics, as I only had my phone on me, and they are quite distant. 20200401_115835 - Copy.mp4 Edited April 1, 2020 by floraphile typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) another video that shows the birds better--although still distant--along with Mr. Blue Jay's usual call. Pup was pulling at my arm, so I apologize for the shakiness. 20200401_115553 - Copy_Trim.mp4 Edited April 1, 2020 by floraphile more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 another audio 20200401_115050 - Copy.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneat Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I am hearing at least one Red-shouldered Hawk in the first video. They are probably both Red-shouldered Hawks but it is hard to tell in the video if the birds are alternating calling, or if it is just one Hawk calling for the entire video. I hear the Blue Jay in the second video as well. Wait for more people to respond though. Bird call ID is not my strong suit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneat Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Also, did you post a location for these videos? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 Sorry--Baldwin co. (coastal) Alabama. 1 Apr 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneat Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Thanks! It can be easy to forget. In this case the location doesn't really seem to change much in terms of the ID. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanityslave Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 my 2cents: first one sound like a red tailed second one i only hear a blue jay (and a cardinal), no hawk at all 3rd sounds a lot like a red shouldered to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 and 3 Are Red-shouldered hawks. 2 Is a blue jay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvanbosk Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just a note. There is a bluejay in my neighborhood that does a PERFECT red-shouldered hawk imitation. When I finally caught a visual of him doing it, it has made me question my audible r-s hawk ids since. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, cvanbosk said: Just a note. There is a bluejay in my neighborhood that does a PERFECT red-shouldered hawk imitation. When I finally caught a visual of him doing it, it has made me question my audible r-s hawk ids since. I'm trying to decide whether I should completely stop marking RSHA based on call alone. It's one of the few calls I can halfway ID, so dropping it from my meager vocabulary is going to hurt. Edited April 2, 2020 by Charlie Spencer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirVive Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 40 minutes ago, Charlie Spencer said: I'm trying to decide whether I should completely stop marking RSHA based on call alone. It's one of the few calls I can halfway ID, so dropping it from my meager vocabulary is going to hurt. Maybe just start reporting them as a Red-tailed Hawk/Blue Jay and see if the reviewer permanently bans you from e-bird for being unable to tell the difference between an elephant and a mouse ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Spencer Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 58 minutes ago, SirVive said: Maybe just start reporting them as a Red-tailed Hawk/Blue Jay and see if the reviewer permanently bans you from e-bird for being unable to tell the difference between an elephant and a mouse ? Isn't that what 'Screeching sp.' is for? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted April 2, 2020 Author Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, insanityslave said: my 2cents: first one sound like a red tailed second one i only hear a blue jay (and a cardinal), no hawk at all 3rd sounds a lot like a red shouldered to me. I heard a definite Red Tailed at the time. The sound is much better when played back on my phone. Not sure how to improve it on here or my laptop. Edited April 2, 2020 by floraphile typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted April 2, 2020 Author Share Posted April 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Kevin said: 1 and 3 Are Red-shouldered hawks. 2 Is a blue jay. I know the Blue Jay's call. I just wanted confirmation/rejection of Red Shouldered Hawk. In addition to the Blue Jay's mimcry, there were actual hawks vocalizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted April 2, 2020 Author Share Posted April 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Charlie Spencer said: I'm trying to decide whether I should completely stop marking RSHA based on call alone. It's one of the few calls I can halfway ID, so dropping it from my meager vocabulary is going to hurt. After seeing & hearing that Blue Jay, I won't make a Red-Shouldered ID on call alone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted April 2, 2020 Author Share Posted April 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Kevin said: 1 and 3 Are Red-shouldered hawks. 2 Is a blue jay. 2 was for visual. call is in others 18 hours ago, insanityslave said: my 2cents: first one sound like a red tailed second one i only hear a blue jay (and a cardinal), no hawk at all 3rd sounds a lot like a red shouldered to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floraphile Posted April 2, 2020 Author Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Kevin said: 1 and 3 Are Red-shouldered hawks. 2 Is a blue jay. 2 was for visual. call is in others. See intro line with respective videos Edited April 2, 2020 by floraphile info left out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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