Which hawk and why?

[floraphile]

4 Mar 2020

There were 3 hawks flying together.  I believe (but don't know for sure) they all were the same species.  I think this is a Buteo, but...? 

Features I think I see--please correct if I am incorrectly categorizing:

Fairly broad, but not particularly long, wings for body length with "fingers"

Wings slightly pointed

Fairly long tail for Buteo (if it is a Buteo)

Dark wing linings, paler, barred flight feathers

Barred tail

Little to no secondary bulge--I have trouble seeing & grading this feature on any given bird

 

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[akandula]

Appears to be an adult Broad-winged Hawk. Note the dark trailing edge of the wing, barred underparts, and thick-banded tail.

Edited April 4, 2020 by akandula

[floraphile]

8 minutes ago, akandula said:

Appears to be an adult Broad-winged Hawk. Note the dark trailing edge of the wing, barred underparts, and thick-banded tail.

Could it be Red-Shouldered?  i. e., Do you think there are crescents at the wing tips?

[akandula]

26 minutes ago, floraphile said:

Could it be Red-Shouldered?  i. e., Do you think there are crescents at the wing tips?

If backlit, the crescents of a Red-shouldered should be pretty obvious. I also wouldn't expect such a compact appearance and white wing linings from adult Red-shouldered.

[floraphile]

14 minutes ago, akandula said:

If backlit, the crescents of a Red-shouldered should be pretty obvious. I also wouldn't expect such a compact appearance and white wing linings from adult Red-shouldered.

The wing linings are dark here.

[akandula]

1 minute ago, floraphile said:

The wing linings are dark here.

They look white to me. I think you're confusing wing linings (also known as underwing coverts) with the trailing edge of the wing. Adult Red-shoulders usually have orange wing linings.

[blackburnian]

Another for Broad-winged.

[Charlie Spencer]

From what I can see of the tail, the stripes look more like Broad than RSHA

[floraphile]

18 minutes ago, akandula said:

They look white to me. I think you're confusing wing linings (also known as underwing coverts) with the trailing edge of the wing. Adult Red-shoulders usually have orange wing linings.

 

18 minutes ago, akandula said:

They look white to me. I think you're confusing wing linings (also known as underwing coverts) with the trailing edge of the wing. Adult Red-shoulders usually have orange wing linings.

Hmmm.  in my picture, they look dark.  I am going by a diagram similar to this one.  http://www.paulnoll.com/Oregon/Birds/ID-wing.html

I am adding the original photo before cropping.  Maybe there is a difference in tone. 

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[hbvol50]

 Broad-winged, definitely

[AlexHenry]

Absolutely Broad-winged

[The Bird Nuts]

Yes, no doubt a Broad-winged with the  lack of pale crescents near the wingtips and that tail pattern (RSHAs have much thinner white bands).

1 hour ago, floraphile said:

Hmmm.  in my picture, they look dark.

They look dark because no light is getting through to them.

[Jefferson Shank]

Another for Broad-winged Hawk.

[floraphile]

I'm trying to "Like" everbody's response, but it won't let me.  

[The Bird Nuts]

1 hour ago, floraphile said:

I'm trying to "Like" everbody's response, but it won't let me.  

Sadly, there is a limit to the amount of "likes" you can give during a certain amount of time.  You should be able to "like" again in 24 hours or so.

[Nivalis]

1 hour ago, floraphile said:

I'm trying to "Like" everbody's response, but it won't let me.  

 

if you are more curios about how "likes" work you should check out the "what is happening to Whatbird" topic.

[Tony Leukering]

3 hours ago, akandula said:

If backlit, the crescents of a Red-shouldered should be pretty obvious. I also wouldn't expect such a compact appearance and white wing linings from adult Red-shouldered.

And Red-shouldered does not have a single large white tail band.

[Tony Leukering]

Finally, the why: The bird is a Broad-winged because both of its parents were Broad-wingeds. ?

[Nivalis]

1 minute ago, Tony Leukering said:

Finally, the why: The bird is a Broad-winged because both of its parents were Broad-wingeds. ?

spitting facts right there

[floraphile]

52 minutes ago, Tony Leukering said:

Finally, the why: The bird is a Broad-winged because both of its parents were Broad-wingeds. ?

LOL!  As far we know...

[floraphile]

1 hour ago, The Bird Nuts said:

Sadly, there is a limit to the amount of "likes" you can give during a certain amount of time.  You should be able to "like" again in 24 hours or so.

It's letting me "Like" again.  

 

[Nivalis]

41 minutes ago, floraphile said:

It's letting me "Like" again.  

 

And that is why “likes” are so mysterious, nobody understands how they work.

[Charlie Spencer]

12 hours ago, Tony Leukering said:

Finally, the why: The bird is a Broad-winged because both of its parents were Broad-wingeds. ?

I have documentation showing the male parent was a 'native born' Broad-winged, but the female was actually 'naturalized' after 7 years of residency and successful completion of a test most native Broad-wingeds couldn't pass. The ceremonies are quite touching.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Charlie Spencer